"Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic

[Vudu15]

The bases in Tunisia or on Sicily are not targets. Just the base on Pantelleria and ships.

danke

[Guppy35]

I'm a goon and thought Sicily was Pantelleria....so the allies cant attack the fields on Sicily until they take Pantelleria? Am I reading that correctly?

Also I see the Spit 8s still on the board, while some units may have had them I think they add an unfair advantage to the allies in terms of added range +-30mins at full power and increased performance at all alts with WEP. While we are kinda tagged with having wonderful planes with beanbag guns (202s)

Only 6 Spits. Not that much of a difference

[Vudu15]

Folks said the same thing about the tempests and bruv sat one of em. And with that it depends on who is driving them. The wep to outrun folks on the deck and extra time on our side of the water is not something id like to deal with.

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[Brooke]

A thing I would like to discuss next:

109's are a little faster than, turn better than, and climb better than P-38G's.  They are also easier to fly in scenarios because of the P-38's compressibility.

Should we increase the number of P-38's slightly to account for 109's being a little better, such as adding a few P-38's to the allied side, or adding a couple of Spitfires?

Guppy, Oboe, BFOOT, 1ijac, you guys flew P-38G's in Tunisia against 109G's.  What do you think of the matchup?

[bgoldy]

Really vudu? Bruv only flew in two of the frames... the most pilots we had at once were the two frames he flew in which was 5 for the first frame, two of which were gone in the first hour. Our strongest force was the second frame... so you using the temps doesn’t really prove you’re point. Or bruv either. No offense bruv.

[Brooke]

Bruv told me he thinks Spitfires are overrated.  He's liking the P-40's.  He's got a new move in them he calls "the cobra snake biiiiiiiiite!".  He's very eager to show it off.

[KCDitto]

Really vudu? Bruv only flew in two of the frames... the most pilots we had at once were the two frames he flew in which was 5 for the first frame, two of which were gone in the first hour. Our strongest force was the second frame... so you using the temps doesn’t really prove you’re point. Or bruv either. No offense bruv.

I think he is referring to Dnieper where over 4 frames Bruv had like 5 thousand kills and broke up every massed attack the Luftwaffe tried to organize.

[swareiam]

I think he is referring to Dnieper where over 4 frames Bruv had like 5 thousand kills and broke up every massed attack the Luftwaffe tried to organize.

Nope that was frame 3 of "Hinterland" where two tempest corralled the entire Luftwaffe force for a full 20 minutes.

Two Tempest managed 18 kills with no reasonable response.

Well played Bruv and Thrilla. 

[Vudu15]

When coming back to regular players I think the 38 is definitely harder to fly but the 109 doesnt have the punch as compared to 4 fiftys plus a 20 I mean thats why COs can put folks in 202 or 109s and p40s or 38s. Yes the 109 has better performance but you just dont have the overall amount of ammo and we will be in a mixed bag of G2 which have 7.9s and the G6s which have the 13mm and of course we cant forget our lovely friends the Italians with the pilot wound/oil only guns. Plus you still have a batch of spits to counter our A5s.

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[BFOOT1]

I found that during Tunisia the 38 was a very fun fordimable aircraft. Would I be opposed to increasing number? Not at all. I do think the 38 a little easier to fly, but it also has much more firepower as mentioned by vudu. If we can get people to fill the seats then increase it by all means.

[puller]

Regular guys can do alot more in a spit than 109...A 38 has wayyyy more trigger time than a 109...202s are junk and should be treated as such

[swareiam]

A word of caution to both sides leadership concerning how they speak about their available aircraft. The basic setup is established. Your recruiting to fill seats when your aircraft have derogatory language behind their names will not help when it comes to getting buts in seats.

Challenge your teams to make an ordinary aircraft a winner on the battlefield.

Cheers...

[Vudu15]

A word of caution to both sides leadership concerning how they speak about their available aircraft. The basic setup is established. Your recruiting to fill seats when your aircraft have derogatory language behind their names will not help when it comes to getting buts in seats.

Challenge your teams to make an ordinary aircraft a winner on the battlefield.

Cheers...

LOL im sure small italian children are told stories of how thier ancesters ejoyed flying 109s over 202s. Back to average folks they either dont fly 202s or know they are junk....now the 202 is an amazing aircraft to fly light on the controls doesnt like to snap roll can stall and flap with some practice acceleration is good dive speed is good has nice range.....but the guns oh my goodness the guns. I set my convergence around 150-200 and it'll take a 1/3 to 1/2 your ammo load to bring down regular aircraft unless you get pilot hits or other critical hits that will slow or stop the aircraft so that you can deliver precision hits to bring em down. So thanks but I think if we have to fly em we can talk bad about em if we want. Bad guys know theyre bad and so do we.

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[TWCAxew]

I just wonder if there where any 205 sqaudrons around at that time? Or did they see serves on a later date? Those are some great airplanes and it would be fun to show them off in a scenario aswell since we don't see them to often, especially in a scenario where they shine.

Perhaps we can trade out the c202 with the 205s they should easier to fill aswell. And than trade out 1 set of p38's for the spit 9 or a 5 (whichever is a better balance). When registration is full we could add more 202s and p38's. Any thoughts?


DutchVII

[Larry]

The existence of such and what is needed for balance (Spit 9's over 8's) might be two separate issues; at least in this instance it is. I have a large problem with the write-up in general. BUT, I'm not going to poke holes. I'll fight it as written and even though unwinnable, I'll fight to win.

The 400-mph Macchi C.205V Veltro fighter made its combat debut when fifteen machines escorted a force of Italian Regia Aeronautica torpedo-bombers tasked to attack Allied warships bombarding the island of Pantelleria southwest of Sicily, Italy.

https://ww2db.com/aircraft_spec.php?aircraft_model_id=72