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[Puma44]

The almost stationary vertical reversal is the hammerhead turn, also called a stall turn. It does not use torque to rotate like the bat turn.

Regardless of what you want to call it, a stationary target is an easy target.  A bat turn isn’t performed by engine torque. It is a break turn generating maximum turn rate.

You made my point perfectly.  Thanks. 

[FLS]

Nobody is recommending any kind of turn.

Max asked for definitions.

The Bat Turn in Aces High that Max asked about is not a break turn.

[Puma44]

The Bat Turn in Aces High that Max asked about is not a break turn.

Therefore, confusion among new and experienced players. 

[FLS]

It is what it is. More recently tailslide has been abused to refer to a torque maneuver. You can't expect gamers to use proper terminology, but go ahead and yell at TC for posting it.   

[TequilaChaser]

I got to go fix dad's lunch and do his vitals and meds....

Puma mentioning that a "bat turn" is a break turn generating maximum turn rate, is very close to how I'm thinking of in my thoughts/theory of a bat turn

I'd like to continue to discuss the topic after I take care of Dad and go get our Groceries and by the pharmacy

If I posted anything wrong, I most definitely would hope to be corrected....the last thing I want is to post wrong information in this forum

~S~

TC

[TequilaChaser]

It is what it is. More recently tailslide has been abused to refer to a torque maneuver. You can't expect gamers to use proper terminology, but go ahead and yell at TC for posting it.   

For posting what? Did I miss something?

Are you referring to me posting "bat turn" or are you referring to "tailslide"..... You lost me

[Puma44]

It is what it is. More recently tailslide has been abused to refer to a torque maneuver. You can't expect gamers to use proper terminology, but go ahead and yell at TC for posting it.   

There’s no yelling going on.  Deflecting the issue to TC doesn’t work.

[Kingpin]

The real irony of this semantics discussion is that it was sparked by the following question:

can you teach me how to do a reversal

He appears to be looking for BFM/ACM tips on how to perform a reversal, to maneuver from a defensive to an offensive position, not how to reverse, or change direction.

TC addressed both things, but I think came closest in his question about the Barrel Roll Defense.  Likewise Puma, as usual, was on point when suggesting starting with the basics, like Energy state.  TC and Puma exploring those lines they started on would probably be most helpful, if continuing a discussion about reversals.

[FLS]

There’s no yelling going on.  Deflecting the issue to TC doesn’t work.

What issue?

Actual origin.
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[Kingpin]

Are you referring to me posting "bat turn" or are you referring to "tailslide"..... You lost me

He was saying they are similar, which Puma already corrected.

It would probably be best to avoid his semantics baiting and return the discussion to something helpful, like your mention of the BRD as one method of performing a reversal.

[FLS]

It's not semantics, Puma is saying the Air Forces uses the term differently than the casual Ace's High player, who often misuses terms. I agree with him.

[FLS]

The real irony of this semantics discussion is that it was sparked by the following question:

...

No. It was Max asking for definitions.

[Puma44]

What issue?

Actual origin.
.

,but go ahead and yell at TC for posting it.   

[FLS]

180 degree bat turn

 

[Kingpin]

No. It was Max asking for definitions.

No, it was sparked by the question I quoted to which TC replied mentioning bat turns.  Well, that and your incorrect definition of what a bat turn is.

The bat turn is a stall turn

Any more semantics arguments you want to start on a Training Forum?

I think the question I quoted would be a more helpful topic of discussion, which is why I mentioned it.