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Offline Bizman

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Re: Antivirus software that's not a ripoff?
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2018, 02:32:47 PM »
---AEP aka Next Gen AV does stuff like Cloud based sandbox/AI/Machine Learning as well as a huge raft of non-signature based analysis. So when a previously unseen piece of malware lands it will shut it down.
---I did check f-secures product page and they didn't not have any of this capability.---

I wonder which page you visited. In https://www.f-secure.com/en/web/business_global/endpoint-protection they mention using next gen technology such as behavioral analysis and machine learning plus a cloud based thread analysis. Am I understanding something wrong? Or are they just using big words that don't match the product like the Chinese web shops?
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Re: Antivirus software that's not a ripoff?
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2018, 04:52:35 PM »
Using such technology is different to deploying such technology to the client. All vendors have used such systems for a long time, internally. Ai/Sandboxes/ML are typical deployments for AV vendors to analyze samples. But that then generates signatures that go to QA then eventually get deployed. Many AV vendors use the same systems - there is a whole layer of products above the AV vendors like Lastline (check lastline.com ).

Some of the f-secure stuff is like old school IPS where it looks across the entire enterprise for anomalies and that is cool. But it is not the same as ATP/NGAV/AEP.

Here's a comparison of how Sonicwalls ATP works...
 - user downloads a file of interest (executable, pdf, office doc, etc)
 - file is hashed and compared with a local database/known verdicts, then cloud database. If it is a known good file it is allowed through, if it is a known bad file it is blocked
 - local and cloud AV signature based scan occurs, if bad then it is dropped  <- this is at less than a second
 - unknown verdict results in the file being submitted to the cloud
 - multivendor AV scan engine (65 vendors, including f-secure) scans the file. if it is bad it is blocked   <- this is at 4 seconds
 - unknown verdict results in the file being passed onto 3 sandbox engines (Lastline, VMRay, and Sonicwalls own)
 - file is analyzed and a verdict passed back  <- this is at 2-4 minutes
 - if the file is bad then depending the device config it is either blocked or alerted on
 - if the file is bad then it is flagged for further analysis so that a signature can be created, qa'd and released within 24 hours

This is done on either the network (firewall), and/or via email security systems as well. Their PC client uses a combo of this and sentinel one.

This catches malware for which no signature/behaviour exists in traditional av engines. Globally they catch around 800 new unique malware per day (as in send it to any traditional av vendor like f-secure and it comes through as clean).





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Re: Antivirus software that's not a ripoff?
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2018, 01:33:40 AM »
Wow! Just thinking about the level of education of the IT personnel in smaller companies!
Quote from: BaldEagl, applies to myself, too
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Re: Antivirus software that's not a ripoff?
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2018, 06:26:37 AM »
Wow! Just thinking about the level of education of the IT personnel in smaller companies!

What about it? :)
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Re: Antivirus software that's not a ripoff?
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2018, 09:43:33 AM »
What about it? :)
Hmm... I should have mentioned I mean companies who aren't IT related by any means.
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Re: Antivirus software that's not a ripoff?
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2018, 06:59:06 PM »
Wow! Just thinking about the level of education of the IT personnel in smaller companies!

I often find the larger the org the more out of touch they are. Smaller/mid sized companies can be more agile. Sometimes with large scale comes a bit of complacency and arrogance.

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Re: Antivirus software that's not a ripoff?
« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2018, 06:23:21 AM »
It is also easier to hide ineptitude in a large company.  Small companies, not so much.

I know a number of IT people who would be out of work if they had to work for a smaller company, simply because they can hide in a larger company.

I could tell you some true horror stories about the IT departments in some Fortune 500 companies.
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