Author Topic: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?  (Read 6946 times)

Offline DmonSlyr

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6658
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2018, 01:07:26 PM »
AvA is great fun! All of the planes are matched by year so it's generally closer fights.

The MA is not. Which means plane choice and SA matter.

This means you have to make people fight and also be patient to avoid ganging situations.

Things to work on in the MA.
1. Understanding the planes' strengths and using the plane in the best situation it belongs in.

2. Merging on opponets for quick snap shots.

3. Defense counter punch maneuervs. Leuer them in, reverse, catch em off guard and get the shot as they zoom by.

4. Taking time to get the alt

5. The patience to gain the alt back after you dive into the Furball.

6. Understanding the planes around you and their E capability. 

That what makes this a hard game. Gotta fly your plane to the best of it's ability. Patience gets the best of everyone.

I wish the match play was more popular too. Hopefully tweeks to it will work it out and more people will join in.

Some custom FFA arenas would be nice to see.

You can't force someone to not fly how they want, but you can jump them with alt and force them to fight.  :old:
The Damned(est. 1988)
-=Army of Muppets=-
2014 & 2018 KoTH ToC Champion

Offline Vraciu

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 14139
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2018, 01:22:45 PM »
You would think, with the most popular player displeasure arguments being ENY and large three sided maps and all, that there would be a stampede for the AvA.  :D

Except the fact that the AvA is not the same as the Melee regardless of sides or  ENY.  They are in NO WAY a like comparison and never will be.  Apples and oranges.  THAT'S why there is no stampede.   
”KILLER V”
Charter Member of the P-51 Mustang Skin Mafia
- THE DAMNED -
King of the Hill Champ Tour 219 - Win Percentage 100
"1v1 Skyyr might be the best pilot ever to play the game." - Via PM, Name Redacted

Offline Puma44

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6757
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2018, 01:23:53 PM »
So what is it called exactly ? I see no AvA in the Arena list.... and never actually saw it

Axis vs Allies



All gave some, Some gave all

Offline captain1ma

  • Aces High CM Staff
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 14384
      • JG54 website
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2018, 01:27:58 PM »
no ENY in the AVA. any plane available, is available to all on that side. in Monday night madness, both sides get the same planes.

the idea of the Axis vs Allies arena is 2-sided battles with a limited planeset, so its not like the MA.

it could be changed easy enough, but then theres no point in calling it the AVA. so for a fun time, check out Monday nights, for Monday night madness. you wont be disappointed

if you like tanks, Thursday nights is the night to be in there. its open 24X7 but its not the MA. it can, however, be as much, if not more, fun!!
« Last Edit: October 04, 2018, 01:43:49 PM by captain1ma »

Offline Arlo

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24759
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2018, 01:41:23 PM »
Except the fact that the AvA is not the same as the Melee regardless of sides or  ENY.  They are in NO WAY a like comparison and never will be.  Apples and oranges.  THAT'S why there is no stampede.

And yet, it has all the elements you claim would fix the broken MA. All of them. With AH aircraft, AH tanks, AH terrain features. And on Mondays both sides have access to the same planes. Is this about something you want already existing without you being part of what made it exist? Just curious.

Offline ccvi

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2074
      • http://www.carl-eike-hofmeister.de/
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2018, 02:05:45 PM »
I don't know how to start.... But more and more often Aces High is turning to a catch game.. Where the one who runs faster (To the field guns) is the one that wins.

You're seeing a change (more and more...)? And you have been here for a year or something? There was no change. A perceived change often is within oneself. The better you are getting the more you'll be avoided. The more you're flying in a way that leaves your desired victim no chance, the more alternative solutions will be choosen. If nothing else, people know when a fight is lost.

Offline 1stpar3

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3719
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2018, 02:21:55 PM »
Try the AvA on Monday night for Monday Night Madness for a good dogfight fix.  Not sure what the time difference is for you but, if you can do it, you won’t be disappointed.  :salute
He was in on this last month...Its his EARLY AM..Good for me, till he made coffee :devil :uhoh Jo, I forget NOTHING :x
"Life is short,break the rules,forgive quickly,kiss slowly,love truly,laugh uncontrollably,and never regret anything that made you smile."  “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.”- Mark Twain

Offline DmonSlyr

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6658
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2018, 02:22:14 PM »
And yet, it has all the elements you claim would fix the broken MA. All of them. With AH aircraft, AH tanks, AH terrain features. And on Mondays both sides have access to the same planes. Is this about something you want already existing without you being part of what made it exist? Just curious.

It's not fair when all of the planes have close to the same advantages!!   :old:

The Damned(est. 1988)
-=Army of Muppets=-
2014 & 2018 KoTH ToC Champion

Offline Vraciu

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 14139
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2018, 02:29:25 PM »
And yet, it has all the elements you claim would fix the broken MA. All of them. With AH aircraft, AH tanks, AH terrain features. And on Mondays both sides have access to the same planes. Is this about something you want already existing without you being part of what made it exist? Just curious.

No, it has only two elements that are of benefit.  This is more than offset by a half dozen other factors that are a net detriment. 


Next.
”KILLER V”
Charter Member of the P-51 Mustang Skin Mafia
- THE DAMNED -
King of the Hill Champ Tour 219 - Win Percentage 100
"1v1 Skyyr might be the best pilot ever to play the game." - Via PM, Name Redacted

Offline Vraciu

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 14139
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2018, 02:31:01 PM »
It's not fair when all of the planes have close to the same advantages!!   :old:

And yet this inadvertently highlights one of the arena's problems.    Let's see if anyone can solve that riddle.   
”KILLER V”
Charter Member of the P-51 Mustang Skin Mafia
- THE DAMNED -
King of the Hill Champ Tour 219 - Win Percentage 100
"1v1 Skyyr might be the best pilot ever to play the game." - Via PM, Name Redacted

Offline 1stpar3

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3719
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2018, 02:36:05 PM »
No one goes in there,other than Mondays, Thursdays...because its like AH2 Early and Mid War arenas. $ guys trying to sneak un defended bases. THAT was my inspiration to learn HOW to dive bomb :devil OOPS,somebody "messed" in their Mess Kit :devil Then it was more fun. Being a ONE DIMENSIONAL player in an MULTIDIMENSIONAL GAME will always feel left behind at times. You are letting every one else dictate your game play. NOW dont get all pissy,you know who I am referring too :uhoh, I understand, as we have this discussion regularly(its not the Maltese Falcon :salute). BUT I stand on previously held assertions...if you expanded your game play..you might just realize you have missed out on some big fun. IT would sure beat flying around frustrated with nothing to "Bang" on but ch.200 :uhoh Trust me....Low Slow and Heavy...you will get more Dog Fight opportunities...only these will be in a Shriner's Clown Car..who needs a Phone Booth. There is NO ONE ANSWER, I am just letting you know there are other ways to have fun. V... :uhoh as much as you like BANTER on here and ch.200....Brother, you have NO IDEA the world of PM and CH.200 RANTS you are missing out on :cheers:
"Life is short,break the rules,forgive quickly,kiss slowly,love truly,laugh uncontrollably,and never regret anything that made you smile."  “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.”- Mark Twain

Offline Vraciu

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 14139
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2018, 02:43:13 PM »
I wish you would expand on your use of paragraphs my friend.   I get lost.   :O

(I say the following politely with no malice.  I am NOT mad at my friend here...)

I've flown in this arena plenty.  Please stop telling me to "expand" my fun based on incorrect information.   Also don't tell me what is or is not fun or how to have it--that's a highly subjective thing as you already know.   What you enjoy bores me to death in most cases.   The reverse is also probably true for you regarding what I enjoy. 

On one hand we get told we don't tell people how to play and then on the other we are ordered to do "different things" if we want to have fun.   You can't have it both ways, bruh.    Cheerio.   :salute :cheers:
« Last Edit: October 04, 2018, 03:23:00 PM by Vraciu »
”KILLER V”
Charter Member of the P-51 Mustang Skin Mafia
- THE DAMNED -
King of the Hill Champ Tour 219 - Win Percentage 100
"1v1 Skyyr might be the best pilot ever to play the game." - Via PM, Name Redacted

Offline Puma44

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6757
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2018, 02:49:15 PM »
Poor JoBravo is getting chaffed and flared simultaneously for a fairly simple question.  :rofl



All gave some, Some gave all

Offline 1stpar3

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3719
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2018, 03:13:30 PM »
I wish you would expand on your use of paragraphs my friend.   I get lost. 

I've flown in this arena plenty.  Please stop telling me to "expand" my fun based on incorrect information.   Also don't tell me what is or Is not fun.   What you enjoy bores me to death in most cases.   The reverse is also probably true for you regarding what I enjoy. 

On one hand we get told we don't tell people how to play and then on the other we are ordered to do "different things" if we want to have fun.   You can't have it both ways, bruh.    Cheerio.   :salute :cheers:
Didnt mean to come off like that  :uhoh I like having you around and it HONESTLY PAINS ME that some of you guys get so frustrated. That is why I asked you how you were doing yesterday...I dont get out much...and sentence structure and syntax has NEVER been a strong suit. I respect you guys, otherwise I would never ask questions about anything  :salute
"Life is short,break the rules,forgive quickly,kiss slowly,love truly,laugh uncontrollably,and never regret anything that made you smile."  “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.”- Mark Twain

Offline Vraciu

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 14139
Re: Any Dogfight Lovers left in the Game ?
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2018, 03:15:36 PM »
Didnt mean to come off like that  :uhoh I like having you around and it HONESTLY PAINS ME that some of you guys get so frustrated. That is why I asked you how you were doing yesterday...I dont get out much...and sentence structure and syntax has NEVER been a strong suit. I respect you guys, otherwise I would never ask questions about anything  :salute

You didn't come off badly.   Don't sweat it.

I'm just saying that when people say, "You need to do this" or "You need to do that" (to have fun) it's often said with the impression that we haven't done so already--and found it not to our liking.

Cheers bruh.  We're good.    :cheers:
”KILLER V”
Charter Member of the P-51 Mustang Skin Mafia
- THE DAMNED -
King of the Hill Champ Tour 219 - Win Percentage 100
"1v1 Skyyr might be the best pilot ever to play the game." - Via PM, Name Redacted