T34 85 time for perk upgrade

[bustr]

The problem with this audience is none of it wants to show Hitech they are invested in their suppositions and anecdotal observations to pull his data out of the game. Hitech programed the T34\85 and knows it better than any of us to what will happen when it's armor receives rounds at all ranges and angles. For 17 years now I have witnessed him work with players who were willing to go the extra yard and present his data in some manner to then suggest changes they think will enhance the game for all of his customers.

So far the purse swingers in this audience only want to bang keys and use allusions to their gamey experience as a substitute to pulling data sets and analyzing them for Hitech towards the change they are proposing.

One observation Luche has verified is the majority of tanks being driven by GV players is the T34\85. I tested the T34\85 against T34\85 at 2000, 1500, 1000 at quarter angle frontal shots and direct frontal shots. Only the 88 at 2000 can kill the T34\85 with less than 3 shots. At 2000 the T34\85 AP and HVAP take up to 9 hits. At 1500 up to 5 and 1000 1 shot. If almost everyone is driving a T34\85 and knowing this data, it's easy to assume the T34\85 is equal to a Tiger and needs a hefty perk increase. Results were similar with other main guns. I verified my findings with my squad uber tankers and their T34 v T34 experiences matched as I described my range shooting session.

So, reduce the perk on the Tiger family or, specify, due to it's armor configuration and shooting test results, to increase the perk on the T34\85 since most combat in the MA is 1000-2000yds.

Most of this audience is lazy when it comes to these things and more interested in purse fights and faux outrage than presenting tangible data for Hitech. Just becasue your observations and my testing have some commonality, Hitech wants data and not anecdotal excerpts from your game play. If that were the case, the MA would be full of 1946 rides and Maro Bros. airborne powerups with lead computing death rays at your fingertips. Being good at piu,piu,piu is not the same is taking the time to find a way to pull Hitech's data sets from the game. He seems to like that kind of commitment to your position on game issues.
 

[atlau]

Dude I'm not saying it's not modelled accurately. (I think most people agree). just that it's a damn good tank and worthy of a higher eny/perk cost.

[Arlo]

Geez, look at the mutual respect and manners damned near boiling over suddenly (or as close as some can manage). 

 

[Mano]

Lower the perk cost of the Tiger 1 and Panther G to be equal to the T-34/85.
Let us see if we see as many T-34/85’s running around in the Melee Arena.
While we are at we can remove the perk cost from the Firefly and M-18 so they are free.

Looks like we need range data on these tanks as well.   

[bustr]

You can place 6 tanks as drones in the offline circle. Just drive your lazy kester out and do the testing. Use BowlMA and off the end of most runways is a mile of flat ground and grass. Pull up the target to the range you want and drive it to sit on the drone you want to shoot at.


I have bigger fish to fry for this weekend.








It all started from this, so an hour or so if you really want to show Hitech data shouldn't be beyond you.

[atlau]

It would be interesting to make the jagpanzer, m4 76, m18, and Firefly free. I dont think wed see much of a dent in the t34s usage or dominance.

[Mano]

#5

 

[Shuffler]

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Exactly...        

That is why I said 5 and nothing else. 

[FBKampfer]

Much as I hate admitting the blowhard has a point, the T-34 DOES become quite resistant to damage when angled properly.


I the glacis angled at 40degrees has something in the realm of 125mm at LOS.


Though I would advocate reducing the rest of the perk prices.

[Spikes]

Not sure if reducing the rest of the perk prices would be good...tanks such as the Tiger and Panther were much more rare, but I understand the system isn't meant to take into account rarity. If you reduce the perk of those to that of the T-34-85, I'd bet more Tigers and Panthers would be used...whether that is a good or bad thing, who knows.

[Arlo]

...whether that is a good or bad thing, who knows.

Bad thing. Bad bad. Up the perk cost of all heavies and model some lights. 

[Oldman731]

Bad thing. Bad bad. Up the perk cost of all heavies and model some lights. 

For those of mature age:  This was one of SPI's first "simultaneous move" board games - Kampfpanzer, it was called.  Very Early War light tanks.

If memory serves, the BT7 ruled.  But it was a very fun game, battle of the dancing midgets.

- oldman

[atlau]

More fast light tank battles would make the current gv game more interesting and dynamic I think.

[Arlo]

More fast light tank battles would make the current gv game more interesting and dynamic I think.

Thank you. (And I freely admit I veered off topic.)

[Vinkman]

The problem with this audience is none of it wants to show Hitech they are invested in their suppositions and anecdotal observations to pull his data out of the game. Hitech programed the T34\85 and knows it better than any of us to what will happen when it's armor receives rounds at all ranges and angles. For 17 years now I have witnessed him work with players who were willing to go the extra yard and present his data in some manner to then suggest changes they think will enhance the game for all of his customers.

So far the purse swingers in this audience only want to bang keys and use allusions to their gamey experience as a substitute to pulling data sets and analyzing them for Hitech towards the change they are proposing.

One observation Luche has verified is the majority of tanks being driven by GV players is the T34\85. I tested the T34\85 against T34\85 at 2000, 1500, 1000 at quarter angle frontal shots and direct frontal shots. Only the 88 at 2000 can kill the T34\85 with less than 3 shots. At 2000 the T34\85 AP and HVAP take up to 9 hits. At 1500 up to 5 and 1000 1 shot. If almost everyone is driving a T34\85 and knowing this data, it's easy to assume the T34\85 is equal to a Tiger and needs a hefty perk increase. Results were similar with other main guns. I verified my findings with my squad uber tankers and their T34 v T34 experiences matched as I described my range shooting session.

So, reduce the perk on the Tiger family or, specify, due to it's armor configuration and shooting test results, to increase the perk on the T34\85 since most combat in the MA is 1000-2000yds.

Most of this audience is lazy when it comes to these things and more interested in purse fights and faux outrage than presenting tangible data for Hitech. Just becasue your observations and my testing have some commonality, Hitech wants data and not anecdotal excerpts from your game play. If that were the case, the MA would be full of 1946 rides and Maro Bros. airborne powerups with lead computing death rays at your fingertips. Being good at piu,piu,piu is not the same is taking the time to find a way to pull Hitech's data sets from the game. He seems to like that kind of commitment to your position on game issues.

Perks don't need to be changed because the use of T-34/85s is not a problem. Fights are not boring because there are too many t-34s.   If you raise the perks on T-34, there will be less use of T-34s and the fights will all be exactly the same.  So don't bother.