GV Training Tips and Tricks

[8thJinx]

All my views are on my joystick, and the button settings are on my throttle and the throttle movement is my site adjustment. Rudder pedals are for turning. Only time I touch my keyboard is to text chat.

You're at a serious disadvantage, right there.

[The Fugitive]

You're at a serious disadvantage, right there.

Can you explain how?

With a flick of a finger and check any view or move forward, stop, reverse or jump to a different gun/seat.

[8thJinx]

Can you explain how?

With a flick of a finger and check any view or move forward, stop, reverse or jump to a different gun/seat.

You're using throttle to move forward/stop/back, your feet to turn, your joy stick to slew the turret around, and the hat switch to look around.  You're engaging your left hand to move throttle, probably a few fingers on the throttle buttons, both feet, your right hand, and a few fingers on your right hand for the throttle hat switch and buttons.  I use three fingers on my left hand, and the mouse and two of its buttons on my right hand.  If we're on the same terrain moving at full speed, I can search for you, dodge trees, and fire aimed shots at you faster than you can.

[The Fugitive]

No, my throttle is set to change the range on my site. The hat switch on the throttle is for motion, forward back speed up, slow/stop/reverse. The hat on my stick is all the views, and the trigger is guns with a second hat to do extra things like vox and map controls.

So while Im navigating the terrain with my feet, Im viewing all around with one thumb and controlling speed with the other, with a finger hovering over the trigger for my shot. Im doing all the things at once not following up jumping from key to key.

Maybe just a different way to do the same thing.

AS far as settings, nobody has posted, either in this thread or the other that was closed, what setting they use for GVing. Where do you put the sliders? Which settings do you turn off and why?

My computer is good enough to run with all the bells and whistles and I do, but I know this puts me at a disadvantage when GVin.

[8thJinx]

I don't really mess with the sliders.  I keep them mid range 99% of the time, but slide the detail one out all the way every now and then.

But seriously, you're operating your tank like a one man band.  It doesn't have to be that way.  I only use three fingers on my left hand, thumb and index on my right.  I'll put it to you this way: when I know I'm about take a round from another tank, but I'm also ready to fire, I will maneuver my tank to turn his round into a ricochet or miss, while at the same time accurately firing my main gun at him.

[bustr]

Fugi,

First thing you need is to setup your monitor with a clear overlay or dry erase marker dot aiming aids from commander mode in full zoom. You cannot win against 8th if you are jumping into main gun reticle mode to aim after locating him in full zoom commander mode. Shooting past 2500 you use the gunner mode optics. While you jump, then hunt with your reticle view inside of 2500, he shoots from commander mode as soon as you come into view. Then you need to decide if you set your range in gunner mode to 1200 or 2000 as your center point and learn to wing it off that. Those dots give you range aids after you decide on 1200 or 2000. It's like shooting with a wirble, a lot of the best pushed the gunner position above the rim of the cupola and aimed with the tracer stream.

The next thing you have to learn is GV ACM like he mentioned. He is not sitting still for you to have an ideal shot if his cover is blown. And now the big complaint is usually none of this matters since you just get into the combat zone and you never see the shot that kills you from a hide.

1. - Setting up your commander mode for accurate point shooting.
2. - Learning close range tank ACM to use your armor as you shoot back or run away to reset.
3. - How to read the location to have a feel for ambush hides.
 
You need these questions answered and you have to practice them like all that time it really requires to out fly spits with a jug. Other wise you are just a free kill in your tank. This is why so many liked the AH2 V85 three way spawn fight and the AH2 crater on CraterMA. You just spawned in and half the time you had a hiding place next to you for the night while having the luxury to use the optics for surgical shots. The AH3 trees and clutter eliminated much of that requiring you to learn tank ACM and ambush strategy. I never realized how much strategy the central crater on my BowlMA requires once you are out in the farmland until I've had almost two years of flying storch in there while talking to tankers moving through that terrain. It looks like shooting from commander mode is a primary tactic to over come the trees and clutter.

[8thJinx]

The AH3 trees and clutter eliminated much of that requiring you to learn tank ACM and ambush strategy. I never realized how much strategy the central crater on my BowlMA requires once you are out in the farmland until I've had almost two years of flying storch in there while talking to tankers moving through that terrain. It looks like shooting from commander mode is a primary tactic to over come the trees and clutter.

Actually tanking in the AH2 open terrain was a lot harder.  It may be harder to find an engagement in the AH3 trees, but tanking out in the open in AH2, on the run or assaulting occupied high ground, was way WAY more difficult.  And ten times more fun.

[JimmyD3]

No, my throttle is set to change the range on my site. The hat switch on the throttle is for motion, forward back speed up, slow/stop/reverse. The hat on my stick is all the views, and the trigger is guns with a second hat to do extra things like vox and map controls.

So while Im navigating the terrain with my feet, Im viewing all around with one thumb and controlling speed with the other, with a finger hovering over the trigger for my shot. Im doing all the things at once not following up jumping from key to key.

Maybe just a different way to do the same thing.

AS far as settings, nobody has posted, either in this thread or the other that was closed, what setting they use for GVing. Where do you put the sliders? Which settings do you turn off and why?

My computer is good enough to run with all the bells and whistles and I do, but I know this puts me at a disadvantage when GVin.

I also use my HOTAS setup. View is on joystick hat switch, position selection, gun firing, weapon selection, engine start stop, and turret traverse. Throttle, forward/stop/reverse, ranging adjustment, zoom in/out. Foot pedals, steering. I also have a dot on my screen for 400 yds., 800 yds., and 1200 yds.. Much of my shooting is in the commanders position.

I am fairly good at long ranging targets, but that is always in the gunners position, except when I'm in an M4 using HE to take out guns from a high position. The M4 can range out to 8k from the commanders position.

[JOACH1M]

If you aren't using your mouse for aiming and shooting in a tank you are doing it 100% wrong.

[Puma44]

Bustr and Company, please elaborate on details of of your tank ACM techniques.

[JimmyD3]

If you aren't using your mouse for aiming and shooting in a tank you are doing it 100% wrong.

Says the flyboy!

[bustr]

Bustr and Company, please elaborate on details of of your tank ACM techniques.

I cannot do what 8th pulls off. He lives in tanks and GV's like a muppet lived in the K4. Not sure what his bribe is to explain tank ACM from his perspective. I'm not patient enough and hate the claustrophobia in the trees pretty quick. In the end I up an IL2 and the dork Ole's me at the last moment when I start my guns pass. You can't kill a tank by shooting it's glacius with the IL2 and a number of vets ACM your IL2 to spoil your aim for their engine hatch.

One of my squad mate's tanks in AH3 and WoT and talks about angling his armor to make your shots less effective. That offline terrain I modified so you can put 6 tanks in the drone circle to test how rounds react to tanks on open terrain. I pulled up 1500 to a T34\85 and shot at it's rear right corner from a 45 degree angle to it's center. Most of my rounds slide down the side of the body and flew off into the trees. It took a while to find the rear sweet spot with the rear end angled to my firing line. I was in a panther when I ran into that problem.

8th seems the have a sense of where rounds are coming from and repositioning his armor to his benefit. This may account for so many screeching sessions I've listened to in my storch by guys swearing the T34 they just pumped 8 rounds into has a lheet code. Slider, Ra and 1bspade have lit up the air waves at times for the same reasons and they are good effective tankers.

Download a copy of the offline terrain, put it in the ah3terr folder, fill the 6 drone slots with tanks, then spawn N or E and place yourself at different points of the clock to the drones. It will give you a safe place to setup your commander mode screen while checking out how rounds act hitting armor at different angles. As drones the tanks respond to your rounds the same as a tank online controlled by a player. Maybe commander mode like 8th described his setup of it is how he is able to see where rounds come from to adjust his tank to take advantage of his armor.


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Wonder why no one has wished for commander mode which can be zoomed like binoculars to have WW2 US or German binocular reticles.


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WW2 German Military Binocular Reticle

[JOACH1M]

Says the flyboy!

True, but I feel I can hold my own a bit in a tank. 

[JimmyD3]

True, but I feel I can hold my own a bit in a tank. 

No problem, I just have a very difficult time doing it with the mouse, and the mouse does not speed up the turret anyway nothing gained there. 

[8thJinx]

No problem, I just have a very difficult time doing it with the mouse, and the mouse does not speed up the turret anyway nothing gained there. 

When I'm tanking, first and foremost I'm in commander mode, with my head and torso up out of the turret.  Tanking with a mouse becomes an inherent advantage when you can swipe the mouse right to get the turret slewing right, go immediately to mouse pan with a toggle on your mouse, and then quickly look around in all the other directions as your turret is still slewing from your first move.