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Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« on: December 15, 2018, 11:43:30 AM »
During our 10 day deployment to Cairo West Air Base, Egypt, we flew numerous low level flights.  On one such sortie, we flew a 300 mile low level across the Egyptian Desert.  It was the flattest most barren terrain I’d ever experienced. 

As we started the last leg into a target area for practice attacks, a dust trail came into view at our ten o’clock position moving left to right. At first this dust trail was a very small speck near the horizon.  As we got closer, cruising at 480 knots and 500 feetish, it became apparent that the dust trail was being generated by a WWII era deuce and a half, complete with a ragged  canvas cargo cover.  All the while as we approached closer, the dust trail remained pretty much in the same place in the windscreen of my Phantom.  This indicated we would cross overhead at the same point on the vast desert.  My wingman was stacked slightly high as briefed.  Getting closer, I decided to offer a salute with the Rhino’s defensive flare dispensers.  My plan was to expend one prior to crossing over this guy and one after.  So, with him about to go under the nose, I punched out one flare and then another after.  We continued on heading to the target area, a combined force exercise of US and Egyptian ground vehicles.

As we arrived at the IP (initial point) for our pop up to a tactical dry (no weapons dropped) attack, I checked in on the radio with the USAF ALO (Air Liaison Officer) who was attached to the US Army unit leading the combined forces on the ground that we were about to “attack”.   As we climbed to about 10,000 feet to get a big picture of the layout of vehicles on the ground, the ALO started jabbering about a specific vehicle for us to attack.  From our vantage point the huge assembly of vehicles looked like pepper scattered all over the desert.  So, I urged him to back up and use the Big to Small description that was standard when talking pilots eyes on to specific small ground targets.  With that accomplished, we made our attack and climbed back up for another.  At that point, the ALO asked for a low pass and attack on his position “over here on the southern end of the assembly area”.   Again, let’s go Big to Small.  After doing that, he also gave us a mirror flash to pinpoint his exact position.  He was in a Humvee equipped with the associated radios for the job.  With him spotted we descended to low altitude and headed at him.  Just short of his position, we shackled, went to full AB, pitched up in the vertical, and aileron rolled dispensing flares as we climbed.  Over the radio, the ALO screamed that was S_ _ T HOT!  The General loved it can you do another?!  My reply, “What General?”  His reply, “the Corp Commander”.  My reply,”NegativeBingoFueRTBseeyalater!”  No need to push our luck any further.

We turned and head toward Cairo West AB for landing.  After landing, parking, and shutdown, the two guys in the other jet came running over to us and were excitedly worried if we were going to get in trouble for what we did to that deuce and a half.  I asked, “What do you mean?”   They then explained that my first flare bounced directly off the hood of the deuce and a half.  I asked if it set him on fire.  They said that no, it bounced off onto the sand.  The guys were worried about repercussions.  I explained that as far out in the middle of nowhere as that guy was, it was going to take a long time for him to find civilization, find a phone, someone who could operated a phone, and then someone who cared, we would all be collecting social security before word got back to us. 

That was August of 1985.  So far, haven’t heard a thing about it.  :D
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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2018, 12:05:27 PM »
 :D
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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2018, 12:35:00 PM »
 :rofl :aok

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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2018, 01:52:06 PM »
I've seen a photo of a car in the ME struck by a low flying Mirage F1 or Jaguar, with dents from the rear strakes in the roof.

Oh I found it: http://www.sunlakesaeroclub.org/Updates_Web_Data/070204/LowFlying.htm

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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2018, 03:54:13 PM »
Love this. There oughta be a painting commemorating.  :D

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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2018, 05:13:54 PM »
Love this. There oughta be a painting commemorating.  :D
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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2018, 12:11:37 AM »
So, I urged him to back up and use the Big to Small description that was standard when talking pilots eyes on to specific small ground targets. 


So for us ignoramuses...what was the Big-to-Small thing...?

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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2018, 09:03:07 AM »

So for us ignoramuses...what was the Big-to-Small thing...?

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Well, first, you ain’t no ignoramus.

For example, in this case, the assembly of ground fighting vehicles was spread over a 2-3 mile wide formation and was more rectangular shaped, stretched in a mostly east to west directions.  When we first checked in with the ALO, he said to use his position in the middle of the heavy armor.  That’s when I asked for the big to small description.  He then said to look at the southern edge of the southwest  portion of the assembly.  From there, he talked us to a sub assembly of heavy vehicles, a particular portion of that group, and then a specific vehicle type.  Then we could see what he was originally talking about. 

Kinda like you flying over a large sporting event parking lot at 10,000 feet and someone on the ground telling you to drop a flour bag bomb on the old pickup truck in the parking lot. 

Sorry for the confusing terminology.

We encountered a similar situation one day in a two ship each hauling a load of six live MK 82s (500lb general purpose) bombs to Ft Benning, Georgia to do a CAS (close air support). When we checked in overhead the live drop range at 20,000 ft, the ALO said to drop on the undamaged APC (armored personnel carrier) in the center.  The live drop are was 2-3 miles in diameter and had various undestinguisable vehicle types in the center of the area.  I said, “Let’s go big to small here and make sure we are dropping on the correct target.”  He immediately came back with “We are well clear back in the tree line”.  There’s that “We” thing again.  Then he continued to work our view from big to small until we had the desired victim in sight.  I gave my ace 1st Lt wingman pilot the choice in the prebrief,  pickle all six in one tactical pass and haul donut or a CAS wheel and drop them one at a time.  He chose the CAS wheel.  So, we started our race track shaped CAS wheel and dropped live MK 82s for quite the show for the “We” on the ground, and it wasn’t  such a bad view from our perch either.  On my third pass, I dropped, pitched up and rolled right so we could see over our shoulder.  The timing was perfect. We got the APC in view just as the MK 82 exploded directly on top of it.  On the third pass, the APC looked like a huge metal flower with it’s petals peeled back.  We continued punishing it until dry and then RTBed with a big smile.
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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2018, 12:44:36 PM »
Thanks for sharing

Out of curiosity, what did you think about being in Cairo, Egypt? Wondering if we both have the same thoughts....

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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2018, 05:44:16 PM »
Thanks for sharing

Out of curiosity, what did you think about being in Cairo, Egypt? Wondering if we both have the same thoughts....

Edit: you can call me or PM me your experience...on 2nd thoughts....

Haha


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Very flat, desolate, and definitely 3rd world.  Except for the Great Pyramids and the Cairo Museum, not much to see or do.  We were able to take a day off mid way thru our ten day deployment, and hang out at a five star resort in Cairo.  Seemed very out of place in comparison to the rest of the surrounding area.



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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2018, 05:52:23 PM »
Well, nothing had changed 2 years later, when I was there in 87.....
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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2018, 06:40:33 PM »
Thanks for posting this.

I can't imagine how much those J79's enjoy ingesting sand particles and dust with low level high speed flying though :salute
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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2018, 08:38:47 AM »
Thanks for posting this.

I can't imagine how much those J79's enjoy ingesting sand particles and dust with low level high speed flying though :salute

Glad you enjoyed it.  The J79s were simply beasts that chewed up and spit out burning cinders of anything that went down the inlets.  We could go from the idle stops to full AB as fast as humanly possible and they would deliver every time.  I never experienced or heard of one ever hesitating to deliver.



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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2018, 10:47:51 AM »
Glad you enjoyed it.  The J79s were simply beasts that chewed up and spit out burning cinders of anything that went down the inlets.  We could go from the idle stops to full AB as fast as humanly possible and they would deliver every time.  I never experienced or heard of one ever hesitating to deliver.

Nothing at all like the CFM-56's I retired from. In my last few years, the airline went to a policy of idle reverse only landings to slow engine parts erosion from dust stirred up on seemingly pristine runways.
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Re: Deuce and a Half in the Egyptian Desert
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2018, 11:23:10 AM »
The J79s were simply beasts that chewed up and spit out burning cinders of anything that went down the inlets. 


Heh.  Summer of 1972, Plattsburgh AFB, where they had a wing of FB-111s.  At the time it was a new plane, newsworthy for a number of good and bad reasons.  Consequently everyone you met tried to impress you with what a great plane it was.  Thus I was present when a maintenance NCO was explaining the advanced the propulsion system.  But then he sighed, and said, "Of course, there's only ever been one jet engine.  The J79."

That left some of us wondering just where things were going.

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