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Offline JunkyII

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2018, 08:53:43 AM »
While the Yak-3 IS annoying af, I think it's ENY is OK. Main reason is that it carries zero ordnance unlike the others on that list. It has almost no capability to kill a GV except soft vehicles and you aint gettin many with that short clip.
Any plane that carries less than enough ordnance to kill a hangar their bombs shouldn't matter in their ENY...KI84, Yak3, F4U1A, 190D9 should all be under 10 because they are EASY in their fighter roll....honestly of those planes the F4U is the easiest plane to win a fight in by far no questions asked.
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2018, 09:32:04 AM »
I have been saying for a long time now that the Yak3 and the Dora are overdue for an ENY adjustment based on usage and impact. It is up to HTC now.
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2018, 09:40:38 AM »
+1 to this thread :)

Though id argue the yak3 is better than the f4u 1v1 (except the -4) since it has the power to get above and pick the hog apart.

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2018, 09:44:59 AM »
+1 to this thread :)

Though id argue the yak3 is better than the f4u 1v1 (except the -4) since it has the power to get above and pick the hog apart.

Co-E, co alt, under 10k even the -4 dies easy


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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2018, 10:07:59 AM »
I have been saying for a long time now that the Yak3 and the Dora are overdue for an ENY adjustment based on usage and impact. It is up to HTC now.

I have a feeling that THIS is the time the ENY will be adjusted.  What is the old saying, "500th time is the charm".   :D
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2018, 03:34:09 PM »
Co-E, co alt, under 10k even the -4 dies easy
This dude has no clue how to fly an F4U obviously.
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2018, 03:53:06 PM »
This dude has no clue how to fly an F4U obviously.

Don’t like flying hogs, I just kill them.


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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2018, 10:36:43 PM »
Don’t like flying hogs, I just kill them.
Yea and if you did you would see how easy they are
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2018, 10:34:25 AM »
Yea and if you did you would see how easy they are

The two planes that cause me the most trouble are the F4U and Yak-3.   :bhead


The instantaneous turn, hover-flaps and zoom climb make the F4U very dangerous.  It does take some skill but the huge kill numbers racked up are no coincidence.

The Yak's ease of use, Atlas V climb rate and Tiger II damage model make it superior in a multi-plane engagement.  So easy a caveman can do it.
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2018, 12:32:05 PM »
F4us are a big target with at best average acceleration and not even that fast compared to lw planes. I dont find the average f4u to be that difficult to kill.

Yak3s are stick stirring wonders tho!

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2018, 12:52:23 PM »
Any plane that carries less than enough ordnance to kill a hangar their bombs shouldn't matter in their ENY...KI84, Yak3, F4U1A, 190D9 should all be under 10 because they are EASY in their fighter roll....honestly of those planes the F4U is the easiest plane to win a fight in by far no questions asked.

KI84,F4U,190D9 can all kill a Panzer, T34, M4, Panther, Tiger etc. easily. Yak-3 cannot. This factors into ENY also. Not just what a plane can do in an A2A fight.

Also, planes have a separate value for determining points when attacking hangers (and other buildings/strats) it's called OBJ. ENY value has nothing to do with that.

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2018, 01:27:34 PM »
Spit 14, 47m, ta152 and k4s cant kill gvs either. Still monster a2a killers.

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2018, 03:41:51 PM »
Ehh, the 190D is a much bigger nuisance than the F4U1A. Only about 3 pilots make up most of the F4U kills. The F4U is a great plane, but the majority of AH don't know how to fly it, just like the P51. Most F4Us get low and slow and have no chance, while most 190Ds stay high and fast and only pick then are able to run after losing any advantage. The F4U can't easily run after losing Advantage.

The YaK3 squirms and stick stirs until it easily accels away. The YaK3 can hold E exceptionally well, turns about as good as the 109K, and is easier to aim than the 109K. Not only that, but the Yak3 is way stronger than the 109K. The other day, I had 50s. Gave the guy 2 gas leaks, got his aileron, got half his tail, with about 100 bullets and the guy was still able to squirm away from me and go land.

Honestly I'd rather see F4Us than a Yak3 and a 190D. I know me and many others are tired of chasing these goon planes.
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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2018, 03:50:54 PM »
 Violator is correct!

 Sorry i had to finish you off yesterday. The other 2 were taking waaaay too long :p

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Re: something doesn't add up
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2018, 06:11:23 PM »
Ehh, the 190D is a much bigger nuisance than the F4U1A. Only about 3 pilots make up most of the F4U kills. The F4U is a great plane, but the majority of AH don't know how to fly it, just like the P51. Most F4Us get low and slow and have no chance, while most 190Ds stay high and fast and only pick then are able to run after losing any advantage. The F4U can't easily run after losing Advantage.

The YaK3 squirms and stick stirs until it easily accels away. The YaK3 can hold E exceptionally well, turns about as good as the 109K, and is easier to aim than the 109K. Not only that, but the Yak3 is way stronger than the 109K. The other day, I had 50s. Gave the guy 2 gas leaks, got his aileron, got half his tail, with about 100 bullets and the guy was still able to squirm away from me and go land.

Honestly I'd rather see F4Us than a Yak3 and a 190D. I know me and many others are tired of chasing these goon planes.

The funny thing is, after reading and listening to some interviews of Luftwaffe pilots on the eastern front, the Yak series of fighters were extraordinarily frail.


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