THAT Symbol

[CptTrips]

Help.  My thread has been hijacked!

[Shuffler]

If you think there is no racial prejudice being practiced in this nation because of the abolition of slavery then you live in a bubble. Abolition was never equality.

There is... the two most racist individuals I ever knew were black men I worked with years ago.

There are racist of every color out there.

Fugi is right as far as I see it.

[The Fugitive]

It actually doesn't matter. It's not being flown to show off an historical artifact. It's being flown to show off a hateful ideology.

..... by a small group of idiots, and here you are giving them "power" by posting it and pushing their actions just like the media does. Let it go and they have no power, no stage.

There is... the two most racist individuals I ever knew were black men I worked with years ago.

There are racist of every color out there.

Fugi is right as far as I see it.

Exactly. Im not even sure if I would call it racist, to me it looks like some people just believe they are owed something for nothing and flap their jaws to get it.

[Arlo]

There is... the two most racist individuals I ever knew were black men I worked with years ago.

There are racist of every color out there.

Fugi is right as far as I see it.

Fugi bases his argument of a level playing field on emancipation. You base it on having met two prejudiced black people. Both of you appear to deny systematic prejudice practiced in our (American) society toward black people. Still. Today. So I'm not all that surprised if you both see 'right' in each other's perspectives.

And the Hakenkreuz is still a symbol of antisemitism and terror to Jews as the Confederate battle flag is a symbol of racism and terror to black people. Again, not just because of what happened 75 or 150 years ago when the armies that flew those flags were defeated (the latter by the Union/United States and the former by the Allies which included the United States) but because of the hate groups that still revere those flags/symbols and parade them around while preaching an 'ideology' of genocide and superior racial stances.

Even besides that obvious fact, there is a law in Germany that prohibits the public display of the Hakenkreuz and it appears that Hitech Creations has chosen to respect that law.

So ... it doesn't matter what belief or viewpoint one clings to in their desire to change that via a thread that just brings it up for the umpteenth time in a somewhat foot-stomping manner in a forum of individuals whose sympathies run the gamut. There lays the actual hurt sensibilities.

[Arlo]

..... by a small group of idiots, and here you are giving them "power" by posting it and pushing their actions just like the media does. Let it go and they have no power, no stage.

As said during Germany's Wiemar Republic days.

[Ramesis]

If you think there is no racial prejudice being practiced in this nation because of the abolition of slavery then you live in a bubble. Abolition was never equality.

There has always been racial bias and there will always be!!! Not Just black/white but
Jew vs Arab, Christian vs Muslim, etc.
As soon as you recognize this fact, then that is one less thing to worry about
Humans are humans... we are what we are and that includes what is built
into us
 

[Arlo]

There has always been racial bias and there will always be!!! Not Just black/white but
Jew vs Arab, Christian vs Muslim, etc.
As soon as you recognize this fact, then that is one less thing to worry about
Humans are humans... we are what we are and that includes what is built
into us
 

There's the apathy we've all grown to respect and admire. When it comes to humans treating other humans inhumanely then we who enjoy the privileges denied others should light up a cigar and wink.

[CptTrips]

[Arlo]

Just leave the area blank if you decide to not have a swastika.

All other images placed on the vertical stab only serve to highlight that something else was there, what it really was, and what it means.

I'm all for a modeler applying a swastika to a model he builds for himself or one to be placed in an area when where can correct context of the marking can be given.

The 109 restorations you show are a bit of a gray area for me since they are kept at a museum where visitors can be given that context. But since the planes do indeed fly, omitting the swastikas is also appropriate. If they were only for static display, I'd be in favor of the swastika being applied.

When it comes to games, I fully support a developer's decision to not allow swastikas. Without context, people will assume the worst the moment they see a swastika because that symbol is still used to this day as a symbol of hate and oppression. Adequate context is difficult to provide in a single player game and near impossible in a multiplayer one, especially for casual observers.

QFE (back in June) - thread stopped serving a purpose long ago. Relax.

[Shuffler]

Fugi bases his argument of a level playing field on emancipation. You base it on having met two prejudiced black people. Both of you appear to deny systematic prejudice practiced in our (American) society toward black people. Still. Today. So I'm not all that surprised if you both see 'right' in each other's perspectives.

And the Hakenkreuz is still a symbol of antisemitism and terror to Jews as the Confederate battle flag is a symbol of racism and terror to black people. Again, not just because of what happened 75 or 150 years ago when the armies that flew those flags were defeated (the latter by the Union/United States and the former by the Allies which included the United States) but because of the hate groups that still revere those flags/symbols and parade them around while preaching an 'ideology' of genocide and superior racial stances.

Even besides that obvious fact, there is a law in Germany that prohibits the public display of the Hakenkreuz and it appears that Hitech Creations has chosen to respect that law.

So ... it doesn't matter what belief or viewpoint one clings to in their desire to change that via a thread that just brings it up for the umpteenth time in a somewhat foot-stomping manner in a forum of individuals whose sympathies run the gamut. There lays the actual hurt sensibilities.

Only 2 I called out. If you think that is all, simply look in the news, sports, what some call music..... all over.

[Arlo]

Only 2 I called out. If you think that is all, simply look in the news, sports, what some call music..... all over.

You could list hundreds for me and all you're doing is attempting to justify the systematic deadly prejudices practiced against them. Yeah, there are black people that hate white people. Go figure. But there's not that many white people in fear for their lives every time they leave the house and encounter a patrol car. And where the KKK is active? More-so.

You're not sharing enlightenment here.

[DmonSlyr]

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Too bad there arent more Germans who play this game. German fighters are pretty damn good in this game. Great furball planes. /With or without the symbol.

[CptTrips]

Too bad there arent more Germans who play this game. German fighters are pretty damn good in this game. Great furball planes. /With or without the symbol.

Just don't mention the war...

[Mister Fork]

CptTrips - you could dance around naked wearing a rubber chicken on your head in this thread and no one would notice. 

[Shuffler]

You could list hundreds for me and all you're doing is attempting to justify the systematic deadly prejudices practiced against them. Yeah, there are black people that hate white people. Go figure. But there's not that many white people in fear for their lives every time they leave the house and encounter a patrol car. And where the KKK is active? More-so.

You're not sharing enlightenment here.

Your wrong.... most folks are not prejudiced. That is most folks of all colors. What you hear is some of one group, very vocally, claiming prejudice as an excuse for being lazy. Now there are lazy folks in all groups too.... but only one that uses that lame excuse.

Far too many successful black folks around for that excuse. I have neighbors that fit that criteria, successful and black.

If you have an issue with someone crossing the street when you come walking down the sidewalk, maybe you need to look in the mirror.