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How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« on: June 27, 2019, 09:17:13 PM »
So, few co-works and I have a debate on how U.S. got tanks to the Middle East before we invade Iraq.  I never served, one was an ex-tanker in M1A1, another was in the navy and two others too did not serve. 

I started off by saying they got the tanks there by plane.....C-17, C-6 and maybe 747.   The other non-service guys said that it was impossible for any planes to carry one tank.   I strongly disagree.  The ex-tanker even said that the load was too heavy.....at this point I begin to wonder if I was wrong.  The navy guy said they got the tank by cargo ship....for got what they called them.  I quickly pointed out that yes they most likely did but at a slower paced whereby air can get their faster.  I also pointed out that they got there by both air and sea. 

So, the question is how did we transport tanks into the middle east per-Iraq war?
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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2019, 01:26:22 AM »
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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2019, 09:14:57 AM »
So, few co-works and I have a debate on how U.S. got tanks to the Middle East before we invade Iraq.  I never served, one was an ex-tanker in M1A1, another was in the navy and two others too did not serve. 

I started off by saying they got the tanks there by plane.....C-17, C-6 and maybe 747.   The other non-service guys said that it was impossible for any planes to carry one tank.   I strongly disagree.  The ex-tanker even said that the load was too heavy.....at this point I begin to wonder if I was wrong.  The navy guy said they got the tank by cargo ship....for got what they called them.  I quickly pointed out that yes they most likely did but at a slower paced whereby air can get their faster.  I also pointed out that they got there by both air and sea. 

So, the question is how did we transport tanks into the middle east per-Iraq war?

By sealift operations. Cf. the US Army Centre of military history Joint history office publications, especially So Many, So Much, So Far, So Fast: United States Transportation Command and Strategic Deployment for Operation Desert Shield/Storm
Airlift was used mainly for personnel deployment, a small proportion of bulk cargo and high-priority items (critical spare parts for instance).
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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2019, 10:48:22 AM »
Bring on the RORO's!!!!!!

Roll on -roll off ships are often times predeployed with equipment.

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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2019, 04:35:42 PM »
I've worked with both Army tankers and Marine tankers.  There were U.S. ships with brand new M60A3s on them already at sea when one of the Marine tankers went to Iraq for Desert Shield & Storm.  The Army M1 tanker was part of a quick reaction force based out of Georgia (I forget which division), his tank was also sent by ship.

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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2019, 07:53:50 AM »
There is also prepositioned equipment in friendly countries. After Desert Storm I'm sure they had some tanks stored in Saudi Arabia. You know, just in case.
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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2019, 10:01:43 PM »
On an interesting note, when Israel was losing the Yom Kippur War, we (the U.S) were flying tanks directly into Tel Aviv.  It was quite a remarkable airlift.  Most countries wouldn't let us overfly their airspace, and there was only a narrow corridor in which the C-5s could fly.  Not to mention they had to be refueled several times.  This was known as Operation Nickel Grass.


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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2019, 11:08:42 AM »


we moved the 1st Cav. Div did it by ship during Desert Storm

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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2019, 11:09:52 AM »
Another similar question popped up recently. How did American missiles get to Lybian rebels?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/american-missiles-found-in-libyan-rebel-compound/ar-AADAofz#page=2
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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2019, 03:42:27 PM »
They spawned in :old:
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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2019, 06:58:18 PM »
Another similar question popped up recently. How did American missiles get to Lybian rebels?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/american-missiles-found-in-libyan-rebel-compound/ar-AADAofz#page=2

That's not similar, but the missiles were brought to Libya during the tinfoil hat wearing secret russian squirrel conspiracy.
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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2019, 02:05:35 AM »
My dad was a tanker in the Gulf war. The crews arrived via plan before their equipment. Their tanks were shipped in. I have rode in a C5 that was carrying a tank.
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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2019, 09:19:19 PM »
The C-5 can theoretically carry two M-1 Abrams tanks, but in practice is mostly going to only be able carry one over a long haul.  The C-17 is also able to carry a single M-1.  No other US airlifter is able to move them.  However, that is a very expensive and inefficient way to move tanks, especially in the numbers used by a large armored formation.  They were in fact almost entirely moved by sealift during Desert Storm.  There were something like 4k armored vehicles moved as I recall, of which something less than half would have been actual main battle tanks.  The logistical aspect of Desert Shield/Storm is actually one of the most impressive parts of the whole war, and one that gets far less than its due when it come to kudos.

In Operation Iraqi Freedom, we had quite a bit of pre-positioned stuff, and we also didn't bring nearly as many tanks.  What we did fly in via airlift however was MRAPs, at least initially, because there was a strong outcry about all the casualties we were taking from IEDs, and a big push to get the troops something with more protection.  Quite a few of the MRAPs were brought in via airlift due to the urgency, many of them on C-17s and C-5s, but from what I saw mostly on contracted Russian aircraft (ironically).  If I remember correctly the C-5 could carry four of the larger MRAPs, the C-17 two, but the AN-124 could carry eight I think.  We were getting a few AN-124s a day when I was the Director of Operations at Balad Airfield in 2007-2008 during the height of the surge.
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Re: How did U.S. tanks get to Middleeast per-Iraq war?
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2019, 05:12:24 AM »
The C-5 can theoretically carry two M-1 Abrams tanks, but in practice is mostly going to only be able carry one over a long haul.  The C-17 is also able to carry a single M-1.  No other US airlifter is able to move them.  However, that is a very expensive and inefficient way to move tanks, especially in the numbers used by a large armored formation.  They were in fact almost entirely moved by sealift during Desert Storm.  There were something like 4k armored vehicles moved as I recall, of which something less than half would have been actual main battle tanks.  The logistical aspect of Desert Shield/Storm is actually one of the most impressive parts of the whole war, and one that gets far less than its due when it come to kudos.

In Operation Iraqi Freedom, we had quite a bit of pre-positioned stuff, and we also didn't bring nearly as many tanks.  What we did fly in via airlift however was MRAPs, at least initially, because there was a strong outcry about all the casualties we were taking from IEDs, and a big push to get the troops something with more protection.  Quite a few of the MRAPs were brought in via airlift due to the urgency, many of them on C-17s and C-5s, but from what I saw mostly on contracted Russian aircraft (ironically).  If I remember correctly the C-5 could carry four of the larger MRAPs, the C-17 two, but the AN-124 could carry eight I think.  We were getting a few AN-124s a day when I was the Director of Operations at Balad Airfield in 2007-2008 during the height of the surge.

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