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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #60 on: July 02, 2019, 12:26:13 PM »
Ok, because I was very careful not to personally insult anyone.

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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #61 on: July 02, 2019, 12:34:29 PM »
When people propose ideas, from what I've seen they rarely if ever consider how someone might exploit it.

Or they find the concern over such overrated. Exaggerated fear over spying was how we ended up with side switch limitation, if you recall.

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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #62 on: July 02, 2019, 12:49:29 PM »
Or they find the concern over such overrated. Exaggerated fear over spying was how we ended up with side switch limitation, if you recall.

Nope.  Per Hitech, if you'll recall it's because ENY needs a spring and a damper so the sides don't swing wildly from one side to the other over short time.  I happen to disagree with that, but I've said my piece about it years ago and apparently it didn't convince him.

The spiez is just what people talk about, not HT's reason.

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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #63 on: July 02, 2019, 12:52:45 PM »
If it's possible, people will do it.

By the way, shouldn't the freebie list be easily adjusted if need be. I mean, if HT can create a list of freebies, couldn't he add or subtract from it if an outright disaster happens because, well, the veteran player population, all or part, is more inclined to grief than grow the population and promote the game?

Here's the entire list of AH toys (Early Arena) (Mid-war Arena) (Late-war Arena) (Unsure):

A-20G
B-17G
B-24J
B-25C
B-25H
B-26B
B-29
C-47A
F4F-4
F4U-1
F4U-1A
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F4U-4
F6F-5
FM2
P-38G
P-38J
P-38L
P-39D
P-39Q
P-40B
P-40E
P-40F
P-40N
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-47D-40
P-47M
P-47N
P-51B
P-51D
SBD-5
TBM-3
Boston Mk III
Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane Mk IIC
Hurricane Mk IID
Lancaster III
Mosquito Mk VI
Mosquito Mk XVI
Seafire Mk II
Sea Hurricane Mk I
Spitfire Mk I
Spitfire Mk V
Spitfire Mk VIII
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XIV
Spitfire Mk XVI
Tempest Mk V
Typhoon Mk I
B-239
Ar 234B
Bf 109E-4
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Bf 109G-14
Bf 109K-4
Bf 110C-4b
Bf 110G-2
Fi 156
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8
He 111H
Ju 87D-3
Ju 87G-2
Ju 88A-4
Me 163
Me 262
Me 410
Ta 152H
C.202
C.205   
A6M2
A6M3
A6M5b
B5N2
D3A1
G4M1
Ki-43-II
Ki-61-I-KAIc
Ki-67
Ki-84-la
N1K2-J
I-16
Il-2 Type 3
La-5FN
La-7
Tu-2S
Yak-3
Yak-7B
Yak-9T
Yak-9U
Jeep
LVT(A)2
LVT(A)4
M-3
M4A3(75)
M4A3(76)W
M-8
M-16
M-18
Sherman VC
Jagdpanther
Jagdpanzer IV
Jagdpanzer 38
Ostwind
Panther G
Panzer IV
Panzer IV F
SdKfz 251
Tiger I
Tiger 2
Wirbelwind
Elco 80' PT Boat

If you or anyone wants to suggest an entire alternative list from scratch then give it a go.  (I might respectfully suggest avoiding the jets and high perkies - that would indeed be too tempting.) :)
 
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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #64 on: July 02, 2019, 01:14:44 PM »
If you or anyone wants to suggest an entire alternative list from scratch then give it a go.  (I might respectfully suggest avoiding the jets and high perkies - that would indeed be too tempting.) :)

Do you really think it's important for the players to outline the specifics?  The idea is "give free players enough vehicles to supposedly entice them to subscribe."  Possibly HT might be able to figure out a planeset?  I was just pointing out a way your initial proposal of the concept could be abused.

Implementing stuff in an online game with no eye toward abuse is just flat out not a good idea.

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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #65 on: July 02, 2019, 01:28:45 PM »
Do you really think it's important for the players to outline the specifics?  The idea is "give free players enough vehicles to supposedly entice them to subscribe."  Possibly HT might be able to figure out a planeset?  I was just pointing out a way your initial proposal of the concept could be abused.

Implementing stuff in an online game with no eye toward abuse is just flat out not a good idea.

Wiley.

You started out with suggestions. I figured you'd have more. Maybe others will. It will, in the long run, be left up to HT, true. Occasionally, he can be influenced. ;)

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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #66 on: July 02, 2019, 01:59:34 PM »
You started out with suggestions. I figured you'd have more. Maybe others will. It will, in the long run, be left up to HT, true. Occasionally, he can be influenced. ;)

As far as this idea goes, I don't think the specifics are going to make that much difference.  I mentioned bombers because there were none in your list, and felt that's a broad category that should be addressed.  I gave my reasons for why I think adding support vehicles is a bad idea.

Constant Storch parked in the area letting the guy have vehicle icons on his second monitor is another thing that could be easily abused, btw.  A lot easier and faster than pop out, run film, pop in too.

I've made my suggestions in the past.  There isn't much point in belaboring them.  Personally I don't think the incremental stuff people are proposing will make a noticeable difference.  They can advertise all they want, apparently a lot of people seem to think the solution to the previous advertising not making a difference is more advertising, not changing the game into something more people will want to play.

This type of game is simply not popular.  Stuff like WT/Battlefield is.  That's about the end of it.  People want more of a "game" like is provided elsewhere as opposed to an arena that is provided here.

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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #67 on: July 02, 2019, 02:13:53 PM »
This type of game is simply not popular.  Stuff like WT/Battlefield is.  That's about the end of it.  People want more of a "game" like is provided elsewhere as opposed to an arena that is provided here.


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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2019, 02:27:57 PM »


Well seriously, how do you explain the fact that there are only 2 other games in the world that use mechanics similar to this one, and they're both about as active as this one or less? (cue Archie talking about how the new WB is going to revitalize the entire industry)

I simply don't understand how giving people early war planes and support vehicles for free so they can go to the main arena to be slaughtered en masse by late war planes and allow people to 2 box free supplies will rejuvenate the game back to its halcyon days.  But, allegedly that's an ironclad constructive suggestion that should be beyond criticism.

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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #69 on: July 02, 2019, 02:35:09 PM »
But, allegedly that's an ironclad constructive suggestion that should be beyond criticism.

Nope. No ironclad construction is being suggested.


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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #70 on: July 02, 2019, 02:41:27 PM »
Adding boats isn't going to do it either.  :grin:  :bolt:

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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #71 on: July 02, 2019, 02:50:21 PM »
Adding boats isn't going to do it either.  :grin:  :bolt:

Wiley.

Yeah yeah. We get it. Nothing will work. I'm not sure this is the cold, calculating, razor-edge, logical face it thing Trips was suggesting. Or maybe it is?

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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #72 on: July 02, 2019, 02:58:33 PM »
Yeah yeah. We get it. Nothing will work. I'm not sure this is the cold, calculating, razor-edge, logical face it thing Trips was suggesting. Or maybe it is?

Well, tell me how I'm wrong.  This is one of 3 games on Earth that is structured like this one.  They're all wildly unpopular compared to stuff like WT.  They all had periods of high population before there were alternatives that don't have that structure.

How does changing small things and leaving that structure intact make the game more popular?

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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #73 on: July 02, 2019, 03:03:57 PM »
Well, tell me how I'm wrong.

I get it. It's your take. I won't argue it to death with you. AAMOF, you should repeat it in as many threads like this on the forum as often as possible. It's helpful.


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Re: Follow up on "Were did everyone go"?
« Reply #74 on: July 02, 2019, 03:10:47 PM »
I get it. It's your take. I won't argue it to death with you. AAMOF, you should repeat it in as many threads like this on the forum as often as possible. It's helpful.

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Before we started talking about other stuff, all my point was was to improve your idea because I saw an easy exploit.  Then you went into the usual "This isn't helpful because it's not discussing whether it's a good idea, or a really good idea."

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