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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #435 on: January 02, 2020, 08:30:06 PM »
That's from the reactionary side, people who don't think things through and fortunately tend not to be in charge of anything important.
I guess you are defending him?  He doesnít beat good teams. Thatís facts.
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« Reply #436 on: January 02, 2020, 09:47:41 PM »
Tough game in Jacksonville, but a bowl win is better than no bowl win. Make it 7 for the SEC this bowl season. Go VOLS!
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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #437 on: January 02, 2020, 09:55:02 PM »
Vols on a 6-0 run heading into next year. Love this program. Our defense was great. We some how won without a QB.
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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #438 on: January 03, 2020, 02:31:23 AM »
I guess you are defending him?

Yes.

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  He doesnít beat good teams. Thatís facts.

Yes, but those aren't all the facts.

First, you are defining "good teams" to mean only Ohio State and Alabama -- because Harbaugh has half the time or more beaten Florida, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc.

Second, teams -- on *average* -- beat the opponents they are favored to beat and lose to the opponents that are favored to beat them.  It will take more than 5 years to go from 2014's Michigan (5-wins, #37 recruiting class) to one that is regularly favored against the likes of Alabama and Ohio State.

Third, Harbaugh at Michigan is a top-10 coach in winning %, and from 2016-2019 is one of the top recruiters.  Only 4 teams recruited better than Michigan in that period:  Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, and LSU.  Michigan during that period is about the same as Clemson and Oklahoma.

Fourth, if its so easy and likely to do better than Harbaugh, what happened with USC, Florida State, Texas, Miami, Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina, Nebraska, and Ole Miss?  Those are all programs that have plenty of money (revenue of $80-130 million/year), good fan bases, desire to win, good football history, etc.  Look what happened to Michigan prior to Harbaugh.  It is easy for changes to be a disaster.  Yes, sometimes schools make a change and get a superstar -- Smart, Riley, maybe Orgeron -- but *way* more frequently the opposite happens.

Fifth, Dabo Swinney lost 5 times in a row to rival South Carolina (2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013) -- and South Carolina is no Ohio State.  It took him 5 years to get to 11 wins with Clemson, and 8 years to get to CFP level.  During that time, people invented the derisive term "clemsoning".  If they had given up early, they would have lost one of the greatest coaches in football history.

Sixth, outcomes in football are subject to a high degree of variability.  Things in 2016 were very, very close to being dramatically different for Michigan.  But for a miniscule change here or there in 2016, and all of this would be a completely different conversation.

Seventh -- and perhaps most importantly -- I see Harbaugh making adjustments each year in response to what didn't go well a previous year, and many of those do work out.  It gets hidden in the variability of win/loss outcomes, but it is progress and, I think, eventually will show up in win/loss.

For these reasons, I like Harbaugh being at Michigan.

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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #439 on: January 04, 2020, 02:59:33 PM »
Since the above is very long winded, I can sum up my preference for Harbaugh this way:

I think it is far more likely that, a few years from now, Michigan with Harbaugh would be a much better team than if it changed coaches.

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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #440 on: January 04, 2020, 07:19:42 PM »
Since the above is very long winded, I can sum up my preference for Harbaugh this way:

I think it is far more likely that, a few years from now, Michigan with Harbaugh would be a much better team than if it changed coaches.

Letís see.  Guess thatís why he still has the coaching job.  He mad his argument or the booster understand the it or both.   
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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #441 on: January 05, 2020, 12:02:45 AM »
Since the above is very long winded, I can sum up my preference for Harbaugh this way:

I think it is far more likely that, a few years from now, Michigan with Harbaugh would be a much better team than if it changed coaches.

Yes long winded but explained in a way that makes your point clear. It was required and not just a rant.
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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #442 on: January 09, 2020, 09:19:46 AM »
tl;dr

For these reasons, I like Harbaugh being at Michigan.

So do the Buckeyes... :D

When I was in Milwaukee for a work golf tournament back in 2007; and we had been drinking one Friday night at a bar downtown; I started the fan favorite SEC chant of "Big Ten Sucks!" I got escorted out of the establishment well before people started trying to get all up in my face.
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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #443 on: January 09, 2020, 11:12:33 AM »
tl;dr

So do the Buckeyes... :D

When I was in Milwaukee for a work golf tournament back in 2007; and we had been drinking one Friday night at a bar downtown; I started the fan favorite SEC chant of "Big Ten Sucks!" I got escorted out of the establishment well before people started trying to get all up in my face.

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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #444 on: January 09, 2020, 10:58:47 PM »

So do the Buckeyes... :D

They might like Clay Helton, Willie Taggart, Mark Richt, Butch Jones, Scott Frost, Chad Morris, Tom Herman, or Rich Rodrigues even better.

That's also what you can get when you try for a great coach, as USC, Florida State, Miami, Nebraska,  Tennessee, Arkansas, and Texas, and Michigan prior to Harbaugh, found.
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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #445 on: January 10, 2020, 01:29:43 PM »
Jim H at Michigan will always be the bridesmaid to Ohio State. Heís average nothing more.
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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #446 on: January 11, 2020, 02:36:54 AM »
Jim H at Michigan will always be the bridesmaid to Ohio State.

Maybe -- Ohio State is generally one of they very best teams -- but we'll see how it goes.

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Heís average nothing more.

"Average" (in the case of ranked list) is the point where 50% of things are higher and 50% are lower.  Since there are 130 Division I football teams, average is 65.

Harbaugh's record at Michigan is approximately in the top 10.  That puts Harbaugh at the 92nd percentile, not at the 50th percentile.

Did you have any classes in school that were competitively graded on a curve?  There, 90th percentile is an A, and 50th percentile (average) is a C.  It's just like that.  Harbaugh has an A.  Not an A+, though.  Saban, Meyer, and Swinney have A+'s.

My feeling is that it is more likely for Habaugh to improve from A to A+ than it is to win the coaching lottery.
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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #447 on: January 14, 2020, 04:18:16 AM »
Is LSU the greatest team ever?

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« Reply #448 on: January 14, 2020, 07:14:28 AM »
Is LSU the greatest team ever?

Probably one of the best offenses in a long time.
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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #449 on: January 14, 2020, 10:12:47 AM »
I watched the LSU game last night. I thought it was probably the best game of the entire season. Both teams came out playing hard and kept up the intensity for the entire game. Both LSU and Clemson had extremely talented QB's. I thought the Clemson defensive line was pretty superior to the LSU offensive line with as many times as they got pressure on the QB. Hell of a lot of blitz plays.
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