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Re: Boeing 737 Max designed by clowns states BBC quoting Boeing employes
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2020, 12:09:07 AM »
Wonder if any of those were written by employees that left tools and debris in KC-46 compartments that got sealed up.

Boeing clearly has a basketful of problems at the moment. IMO, it usually all starts at the top.


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Re: Boeing 737 Max designed by clowns states BBC quoting Boeing employes
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2020, 10:30:53 AM »
Wonder if any of those were written by employees that left tools and debris in KC-46 compartments that got sealed up.

Boeing clearly has a basketful of problems at the moment. IMO, it usually all starts at the top.

Is this the same contract that Airbus initially won but then lost to Boeing through some crazy backhand/backchannel contractual maneuvering scheme?

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Re: Boeing 737 Max designed by clowns states BBC quoting Boeing employes
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2020, 05:28:22 PM »
This may have some bearing on the problem. An engineer driven firm taken over by a bean counter driven firm.


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Re: Boeing 737 Max designed by clowns states BBC quoting Boeing employes
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2020, 05:34:58 PM »
If two third world airlines had proper pilot standards Boeing wouldn't be a story.

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Re: Boeing 737 Max designed by clowns states BBC quoting Boeing employes
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2020, 06:02:24 PM »
Is this the same contract that Airbus initially won but then lost to Boeing through some crazy backhand/backchannel contractual maneuvering scheme?

Same contract, yes.

"Crazy backhand/backchannel contractual maneuvering scheme?" No. Did you read that on the same site that confirms chemtrails are a nefarious government plot?

Boeing won the old fashioned way. They beat EADS on price with an aircraft more suited to the actual USAF requirements. Tricky that, eh?

Of course, you don't believe that. Here, read this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/02/28/how-boeing-won-the-tanker-war/#6816e56c3d49

TLDR?

Here, cut to the chase:

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We'll have to wait a while to learn why EADS failed to price its tanker competitively. The one thing we know for sure is that the real-world costs of the rival tankers weren't even close, because EADS lost even though evaluators gave the company big breaks in calculating the cost of owning its plane. In other words, the Boeing tanker won on merit, and no protest of the outcome by EADS is going to change that fact.
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Re: Boeing 737 Max designed by clowns states BBC quoting Boeing employes
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2020, 07:16:39 PM »
If two third world airlines had proper pilot standards Boeing wouldn't be a story.

Pretty much.
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Re: Boeing 737 Max designed by clowns states BBC quoting Boeing employes
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2020, 09:46:48 PM »
If two third world airlines had proper pilot standards Boeing wouldn't be a story.

The very simple truth of the matter.



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Re: Boeing 737 Max designed by clowns states BBC quoting Boeing employes
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2020, 10:38:52 PM »
The agreed theme is that there is a break down in multiple processes. The sad bit about it is it's all preventable with the right training and having employees that will walk the line with standards and SOPs.

One kink in the chain and the chain fails because of that one single point of failure.

This is in regards to Boeings assembly lines, boeings standards and foreign airline standards.

As has been proven in this thread, each suffered a break down in standards and now the consequences fall on one.




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Re: Boeing 737 Max designed by clowns states BBC quoting Boeing employes
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2020, 12:30:48 AM »
If two third world airlines had proper pilot standards Boeing wouldn't be a story.

blame them two stupid pilots for all the crap Boeing is facing now that has nothing to do with the crashes.

seen this a few times since the 80s, put profits ahead of what is right and eventually you will go down.

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Re: Boeing 737 Max designed by clowns states BBC quoting Boeing employes
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2020, 12:37:22 AM »
blame them two stupid pilots for all the crap Boeing is facing now that has nothing to do with the crashes.

seen this a few times since the 80s, put profits ahead of what is right and eventually you will go down.

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That's right.  If third world airlines would stop placing profits ahead of what is right they would have proper training, personnel standards, and equipment.  In this case two airliners went down and killed a lot of people because of incompetent crews, poor regulatory oversight, and greedy airlines that place safety as anything-but a priority.
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Re: Boeing 737 Max designed by clowns states BBC quoting Boeing employes
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2020, 01:38:25 AM »
That's right.  If third world airlines would stop placing profits ahead of what is right they would have proper training, personnel standards, and equipment.  In this case two airliners went down and killed a lot of people because of incompetent crews, poor regulatory oversight, and greedy airlines that place safety as anything-but a priority.

didn't know Boeing was in a third world country.

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