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Offline avionix

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Upgrades???
« on: March 19, 2020, 01:34:17 PM »
So, have the specs on my machine below.

AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core
8GB RAM
64-bit OS
NVIDIA GeForce GT740

Motherboard info:
BaseBoard Manufacturer   ASRock
BaseBoard Product   960GM/U3S3 FX

What do I need to upgrade to get better visuals? I have had to disable all of the options in the visual area and most of the sliders are turned down quite a bit to get a FR of about 54.

Would like to get more visual out of the game.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2020, 01:36:08 PM by avionix »
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Re: Upgrades???
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2020, 01:44:48 PM »
The weakest part in your system is your video card. Just upgrading that would give you a much better experience.

However, since your system is almost a decade old, upgrading the video card only would most likely bottleneck the processor. Upgrading the entire system is the most recommendable option. If you're tight on budget getting a tad younger system with a decent video card is a valid option as well - something like an Intel 15-4590 with a GTX970 plus a suitable motherboard and RAM (your current RAM might or might not be compatible) should easily run AH at default settings at 60 FPS.
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Re: Upgrades???
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2020, 02:34:46 PM »
The weakest part in your system is your video card. Just upgrading that would give you a much better experience.

However, since your system is almost a decade old, upgrading the video card only would most likely bottleneck the processor. Upgrading the entire system is the most recommendable option. If you're tight on budget getting a tad younger system with a decent video card is a valid option as well - something like an Intel 15-4590 with a GTX970 plus a suitable motherboard and RAM (your current RAM might or might not be compatible) should easily run AH at default settings at 60 FPS.

So this is what I have in mind, because I do not mind spending the money. Upgrade the processors, RAM and video card as much as I can without having to upgrade the motherboard. May be interested in a solid state hard drive as well.
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Re: Upgrades???
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2020, 03:29:44 PM »
A solid state drive won't give a single frame more. What it does, it makes your computer and programs launch faster.

You may not be able to improve your processor much on your current motherboard so CPU, Motherboard and RAM may be a bundle you'll have to upgrade at one go. They seem to be available second hand quite often for a decend price so keep your eyes open. We just bought a set of i5-4570K, 16 GB RAM and an Asus board for 150 from a private vendor who upgraded his gaming rig.

Anyhow, the first thing to upgrade is your video card. Depending on the power requirements of the new card you may have to upgrade your power supply as well. GTX1060 is available as a low power model as well without any extra connectors needed. Check your PSU connectors and nominal power comparing them to the requirements for video card candidates.
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Re: Upgrades???
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2020, 06:32:35 PM »
Bizman giving very good recommendations..... as usual.

Follow them and I think you will be very happy with the results and the savings.
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Re: Upgrades???
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2020, 07:21:13 PM »
GTX1060 always requires extra power connectors, mixup with 1050Ti or 1650?

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2020, 02:11:05 AM »
Thanks, Denniss! I remembered wrong.

GTX1650 is probably the fastest card at the moment without an extra power connector.
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Re: Upgrades???
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2020, 08:30:46 AM »
One just have to read the specification before buying a 1650 as several of them, ususly those labelled as OC version, do require extra power.
Anyway, they are too expensive for what they deliver.

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Re: Upgrades???
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2020, 02:57:20 PM »
So, have the specs on my machine below.

AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core
8GB RAM
64-bit OS
NVIDIA GeForce GT740

Motherboard info:
BaseBoard Manufacturer   ASRock
BaseBoard Product   960GM/U3S3 FX

What do I need to upgrade to get better visuals? I have had to disable all of the options in the visual area and most of the sliders are turned down quite a bit to get a FR of about 54.

Would like to get more visual out of the game.

Which 64bit OS are you using?

Are you using (1) 8 GB DIMM or (2) 4 GB DIMMs ? This particular MB only has 2 DIMM slots and only supports a total of 16 GBs of DDR3 System RAM

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ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX MB Specs
CPU Socket   Socket AM3+      The socket defines which CPUs are compatible and will fit into the motherboard
CPU Compatible Make   AMD      This is the manufacturer of the CPUs that are compatible with this motherboard
CPU Chipset   760G      This is the name of the chipset, the parts of the motherboard circuit that manage data flow between PC components
Form Factor   Micro-ATX      Form factor is the motherboard's physical size standard, which dictates what cases it will fit into and can limit expansion capabilities
Max RAM   16 GB DDR3      This is the maximum amount of RAM the motherboard can accommodate
RAM Slots   2 x DDR3      This is how many slots there are for the different RAM types in this motherboard
Memory Channels   2      Multi-channel memory architecture increases memory data transfer speeds
Compatible RAM Speeds   
DDR3 800 MHz
DDR3 1066 MHz
DDR3 1333 MHz
DDR3 1600 MHz
DDR3 1866 MHz
The motherboard is compatible with only these types of RAM
USB 2.0 Internal Slots   4      Internal USB 2.0 slots are useful for long-term USB solutions such as case connections
USB 2.0 Rear   4      Back slots are designed to be accessed from the back of the case, and is generally where basic peripherals are connected
USB 3.0 Rear   2      USB 3.0 slots provide faster data transfer than USB 2.0 and are backwards compatible
Graphics Card Interface   PCIe v2.x      The graphics card interface is the specific technology the motherboard uses to communicate with the graphics card
SLI Support   1 graphics cards      SLI support allows your motherboard to utilize multiple connected Nvidia graphics cards for improved performance
Crossfire Support   1 graphics cards      Crossfire support allows your motherboard to utilize multiple connected AMD graphics cards for improved performance
Onboard GPU   yes      If you wish to support integrated graphics you would need a motherboard with a graphics chip or a complete GPU solution such as an AMD APU
PCI Slots   
1 x PCIe x1 v2.0
1 x PCIe x16 v2.0
PCI slots are hardware containers that can be used to house any compatible PCI component
SATA 1.0   0      Serial ATA (SATA) 1.0 is an old technology used to connect slower hard drives
SATA 2.0   0      Serial ATA (SATA) 2.0 is still commonly used for theoretical hard drive speeds of up to 3GB/s
SATA 3.0   0      Serial ATA (SATA) 3.0 is an increasingly popular hard drive standard that can theoretically reach hard drive speeds of up to 6GB/s
RAID Support   yes      RAID support allows you to use RAID for multiple hard drives to provide either backups or extra performance speed
Internal I/O   
1 x 24 pin power connector
1 x 4 pin power connector
CD/DVD drive connector
1 x IDE connector
These are the internal connections for items such as fans and power
Back Panel I/O   
D-Sub Connector
DVI connector"
Line In Connector
Line Out Connector
Mic In connector
Audio Input Output
PS/2 keyboard connector
PS/2 mouse connector
These are the back panel connections primarily for peripherals such as speakers
ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX compatibility review
The ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX uses the AMD Socket AM3+ CPU socket. Any compatible AMD CPU will have the same socket entry. It uses the DDR3 memory type, with maximum speeds of up to 1866 MHz, and 2 DDR3 slots allowing for a maximum total of 16 GB RAM.

The Micro-ATX ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX should fit into all ATX cases, but its smaller size allows you to downsize your system build as a whole. Its size comes at the cost of features, so there are likely to be far fewer connections and expansion options available than in a larger motherboard.

The ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX has 2 SATA 3.0 hard drive slots. These allow for theoretical data transfer speeds of up to 6GB/s, as opposed to the 3GB/s of SATA 2.0. Generally speaking, only high performance hard drives, specifically solid-state drives, will be able to take advantage of the bandwidth potential of SATA 3.0 ports, though it is backwards compatible, so you do not have to take advantage. This motherboard also has 4 SATA 2.0 slots, so numerous SATA hard drives can be connected if desired.

The ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX supports onboard graphics. This allows for integrated graphics when paired with a compatible CPU that supports them. Integrated graphics are a cheap alternative to using a graphics card, but should be avoided when frequently using modern applications or games that require intense graphical processing. There are 1 PCIe x16 slots on this motherboard. This means it is perfectly capable of accommodating the latest graphics cards, although it is important to try and use a graphics card with the same graphics card interface of PCIe v2.x, as anything below will not reach the motherboard's potential, and anything above will have its performance slashed to the bandwidth maximum of the ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX's PCIe v2.x. The ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX does not support multiple graphics cards via Nvidia SLI or AMD Crossfire.

The ASRock 960GM/U3S3 FX has 8 USB 2.0 slots and 2 USB 3.0 slots. USB 3.0 slots are theoretically capable of data transfer speeds of up to 5 Gbit/s, which is over 10 times faster than the USB 2.0 top speed of 480 Mbit/s. Although USB 2.0 slots alone currently serve as well as ever, an upgrade would better future-proof your system as more USB 3.0 compatible peripherals emerge. USB 3.0 is also backwards compatible with USB 2.0, which means you do not even have to use the newer slot functionality if you do not wish to.

If your OS is either Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 64bit

You can get by with upgrading your System Ram to (2) 8 GB DIMMs (paired) and going with either the Nvidia GTX 1660 6GB GDDR go with the AMD Radeon RX590 8GB GDDR

reference link: 
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.pcmag.com/comparisons/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-vs-amd-radeon-rx-590-which-mainstream-graphics&ved=2ahUKEwjg-qvU7K7oAhUCTt8KHZk7C_kQFjAFegQIARAe&usg=AOvVaw1vR-fyooeOjSwGR2gVvD31

The AMD RX590 (and some RX580's) outperform the 1060 and 1660.... In both 1080i resolution and 1440 resolution

Provided your PSU has the 6 +2 (=8) or the 8 plug connector needed

Hope this helps

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Re: Upgrades???
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2020, 10:22:54 AM »
Thank you TC. I am running Windows X. Have 2 4GB sticks of RAM.

I may look into this as a temp fix. With the wife ack at home, have to do this on the DL.   :noid
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