Author Topic: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)  (Read 11177 times)

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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #60 on: August 17, 2020, 10:49:58 PM »
Cause it's really all we got when trying to figure out what this figure is. After looking at all 32 comics of "The Deacon" from 1941-1946, it's the best representation we can get from the person who made the image on the aircraft. No other figure in the comics match better than Death and the newspaper boy.



No other character fits. What do you suggest D? A fresh set of eyes wouldn't hurt.
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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #61 on: August 18, 2020, 12:02:08 AM »
That's just it, just because it's the "closest" match does not mean that it's actually close to matching.

The shape of the eyes and mouth openings in Death's mask don't match the apparent shapes of those features on the plane. And the figure on the plane seems to lack the red "spade" on the forehead.

This really is Rorschach test. It will look like whatever you want it to be.

The good news is that area on the AH P-51 is so small that if V just drew blobs in the right colors, it will look like a dead on match for the reference photo.
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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #62 on: August 18, 2020, 12:18:41 AM »
I question why some of you think the image is of the paperboy? Makes no sense if "The Deacon" is indeed a reference to the comic. That would be like someone naming their plane "Batman" and having a drawing of Alfred.

Its all subjective and opinion based I think Mister fork summed it up best in his post.
Just so you know when I first got involved with this plane I was pretty sure I was looking at a Woodp ecker.

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Even thought I had a particular species as well.

A Red-bellied Woodp ecker

My attempt to imitate the nose art.






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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #63 on: August 18, 2020, 12:25:35 AM »
That's just it, just because it's the "closest" match does not mean that it's actually close to matching.

The shape of the eyes and mouth openings in Death's mask don't match the apparent shapes of those features on the plane. And the figure on the plane seems to lack the red "spade" on the forehead.

This really is Rorschach test. It will look like whatever you want it to be.

The good news is that area on the AH P-51 is so small that if V just drew blobs in the right colors, it will look like a dead on match for the reference photo.

The height of the average humans head is about 8-9 inches take the pilot sitting in the plane and just sizing it up to the nose art panel cant be that much bigger. So the figure in foregrounds head can't be much more than an inch in diameter. So how much detail will show up in the skin even if we had a close up of what we are looking at?

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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2020, 01:15:51 PM »
The question now V, do you have enough to reproduce what you need for "The Deacon" P-51D?

Depending on how much the engine pixelates the nose art, possibly.   This is one instance where game-induced ambiguity plays into our hands.
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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #65 on: August 18, 2020, 03:13:31 PM »
I'm wondering if the image is from CatMan #26, the Golden Archer had a nemisis Karzak? Behind the paperboy?



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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #66 on: August 18, 2020, 03:40:31 PM »
That's one theory. 

I also wondered if it is some giant bishop hat.
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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #67 on: August 18, 2020, 03:46:29 PM »
If i look long enough i see this Houston liquor store mascot, but wearing pants. I think the pixelation is a blessing in this case.




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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #68 on: August 18, 2020, 04:00:26 PM »
If i look long enough i see this Houston liquor store mascot, but wearing pants. I think the pixelation is a blessing in this case.

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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #69 on: August 18, 2020, 04:23:54 PM »
If i look long enough i see this Houston liquor store mascot, but wearing pants. I think the pixelation is a blessing in this case.

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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #70 on: August 18, 2020, 06:44:41 PM »
By George I think I got it!

Thus is my plausible but believable theory. What if, that its "The Deacon" going after a Japanese character or propagandize version of a member of the Japanese War Cabinet like Tojo. The way I am reading into it is the deacon is about to punch Tojo as in deacon touches tojos left shoulder and Tojo is looking left and Deacon is about to hit him with his right hand or something along those lines. This is my theory.
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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #71 on: August 19, 2020, 07:27:42 PM »
I'm open to anything at this point. 

Anyone wanna throw this out on a Facebook group and see what people think it is?

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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #72 on: August 20, 2020, 12:30:52 AM »
I'm open to anything at this point. 

Anyone wanna throw this out on a Facebook group and see what people think it is?

No luck.


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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #73 on: August 20, 2020, 05:44:57 PM »
Can you post the updated image that Waltz41 framegrabbed?
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Re: Research Assistance Requested - P-51D "The Deacon" - 21st FG (Iwo Jima)
« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2020, 01:25:29 AM »
Can you post the updated image that Waltz41 framegrabbed?

I tried a P-51 site instead.
This one has the most members for the P-51 groups.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/17758532448/