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Re: Covid19 things Iím seeing & hearing
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2020, 11:01:08 AM »
Preface: no intention of getting off topic into things forbidden in BBS. Iíve read the threads here and saw where they headed. However, I saw enough posts here downplaying it to raise my concern.

Iím a RN, I work primarily in medical surgical setting and skilled nursing. I have not had any patients with active infection, but I have had recovering/recovered patients. I do know many ICU nurses though that I trust their word on this. Also Iím in AZ where weíve seen the biggest % increase recently. AZ lagged way behind in testing. In March and April our health services were screaming for more testing, so that was predictable. I canít however speak for TX, CA and FL which have also had big increases when what I heard here was that those states had the testing AZ wanted.

Itís not behaving as a respiratory virus in a enough of cases and which begs should it really be Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome COV 2?

A good friend lost a 29 y/o to it, he did have underlying conditions, however he said it was the kidney failure that lead to demise. Thatís the youngest case that I personally know of from another nurse I can trust. He sends me the ICU shift census updates. 2 weeks ago it was 19% in his ICU and about the same across the other 5 hospitals of that company network. At the moment itís near double.

I know 4 people who have had moderate to severe symptoms, tested positive and recovered. They each had the well known symptoms, but each one had different chief complaint, i.e. one had severe fatigue ďunlike any cold or flu heíd ever had,Ē another had considerable shortness of breath.

To sum up, lest I go on for pages, I see so many people out at stores and other places (unfortunately even on nursing units) that still donít take it serious enough. At the same time Iím not saying to live in fear about going to the grocery store or your mail, I am saying that it does different things to different people. Please be as safe as you can and if youíre not worried about it for yourself, maybe be concerned enough for others that have known/unknown pre-existing conditions. 

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That is some bad ARDS with necrosis, fibrosis, and cystic changes. Not many hospitals would have the resources to take her through mechanical ventilator failure, ECMO and then transplant. Amazing job.

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Re: Covid19 things Iím seeing & hearing
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2020, 11:14:57 AM »
That is some bad ARDS with necrosis, fibrosis, and cystic changes. Not many hospitals would have the resources to take her through mechanical ventilator failure, ECMO and then transplant. Amazing job.

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-double-lung-transplant.html

And 20 years old.

There have been reports of some people who thought they had recovered fine, but lung analysis showed bad scaring and damage they didn't even realize they had.   There are other reports of long term neurological damage.  Damage to heart muscle.  It might take years for the full damage of this disease to become fully apparent.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/lifelong-lung-damage-the-serious-covid-19-complication-that-can-hit-people-in-their-20s#Whos-at-risk?

But it's just a bad cold really.   :rolleyes:


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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2020, 11:48:54 AM »
I think we better hope that is not the case.  It certainly shouldn't be taken cavalierly with a nihilistic "Oh lets all just hurry up and get it to get herd immunity."  That's suicide-bomber thinking in my opinion.

This is not the flu.  It is not a cold.  They are starting to see a wide range of second order effect of this disease even if the patient thought they had a "mild" version.  This thing can damage organs through out the body.  Heart, lungs, blood vessels. The damage may not be detected immediately, but may lead to long term health problems and shortened life spans.

A lot of gassed soldiers in WWI didn't die immediately in 1918.  They died in 1922, 1925, 1928.  With damaged lungs, just one more bad cold was all it took.

What I fear, is a mass nation-wide health problem of a million COVID damaged survivors, ruining and shortening lives and putting incredible long term pressure on our health system for decades to come.

No one should want to hurry up and "get" this to get it over with.  I've had friends express this sentiment to me and frankly I think they are ignorant, uninformed or just crazy.  For one thing they are getting better every day in even learning how to treat this disease.  Your odds of survival are much better now than the first few months when they had no experience on how to fight this.  It will get better.  They will find pharma treatments.  They will develop serum antibody treatments before a vaccine.  A certain percentage of the population will never get this before the vaccine arrives.  You want you and your family to stay in that golden percentage.  That will require intelligence, discipline and a little luck.

Hope you all make it.

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This is not the only thing with possible ongoing issues. Some will have them, some will not. Medicines we take can cause more issues and even death. This is nothing new.
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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2020, 01:11:36 PM »
This is not the only thing with possible ongoing issues. Some will have them, some will not. Medicines we take can cause more issues and even death. This is nothing new.


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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2020, 01:33:17 PM »
a guy came into the legion with a cough. they took his temperature but was still turned away and encouraged to isolate himself.  he posted on Facebook that he was in another bar. he believes that is a hoax. I'm pretty sure he was sent home from work due to that cough.  there's a few legionaires that think it's a hoax too.


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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2020, 04:14:14 PM »
I don't know anyone personally that thinks it is a hoax. These happen ever so often, always have.
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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2020, 05:19:12 PM »
I predict that by the time it is over there will be more deaths in the USA from this than the rest of the world together. We are about 5% of the population of the world and we have about 25% of the cases of Covid-19. That will be a testimony to the F'ed up nature of our nation and our national priorities. I am just glad I live in small town America where the craziness hasn't yet migrated. Stay safe guys.
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2020, 06:12:57 PM »
I doubt many nations statistics, death rate etc. outside the western-oriented nations.
Many have an agenda and are pressing down their numbers heavily.
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2020, 06:18:19 PM »
I doubt many nations statistics, death rate etc. outside the western-oriented nations.
Many have an agenda and are pressing down their numbers heavily.

Yes and since the numbers are skewed already, no one will ever know how many actually died of covid.
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2020, 06:29:53 PM »
I doubt many nations statistics, death rate etc. outside the western-oriented nations.
Many have an agenda and are pressing down their numbers heavily.

it isn't so much an agenda but more about money. you don't have the money you can't test.  it's that simple.


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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2020, 07:18:20 PM »
Also, that argument suggests more deaths from Covid-19, since it cannot be effectively used to suggest fewer.

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« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2020, 12:13:44 AM »
Yes and since the numbers are skewed already, no one will ever know how many actually died of covid.

Its quite easy to have a very good idea of how many died of Covid.  Just look at the death rate of ordinary years, and compare to this year. Statistics will tell you with X certainty that Covid increased the death rate by Y amount.  There will be no denying it by anyone who doesn't also deny the roundness of the earth, etc.
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« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2020, 12:16:34 AM »
I am just glad I live in small town America where the craziness hasn't yet migrated.
Hopefully you have a hospital system that doesn't easily get overwhelmed when it does migrate to your area. Being in a small town isn't a good thing when things get bad.
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Re: Covid19 things Iím seeing & hearing
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2020, 12:30:08 AM »
Its quite easy to have a very good idea of how many died of Covid.  Just look at the death rate of ordinary years, and compare to this year. Statistics will tell you with X certainty that Covid increased the death rate by Y amount.  There will be no denying it by anyone who doesn't also deny the roundness of the earth, etc.

Still a rough estimate. Sadly there may be more suicides as people lose jobs. On the other hand, fewer people driving to work has lowered vehicular deaths. How do you best account for those?

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« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2020, 01:27:15 AM »
it isn't so much an agenda but more about money. you don't have the money you can't test.  it's that simple.


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