Key Reason why ENY is stupid

[Vinkman]

I'd say its accurate, if you can't function in anything else then you have your crutch. Also may want to take a look at what planes carry bombs, F4U-1 is in the 20's and carries a 1000 lber. It's also not the the only one.

wait you think a 1 hog with A SINGLE 1000 lb and no rockets is the same thing?   

[SPKmes]

I fly a high ENY plane as my staple.... and I don't like ENY ...   it infringes on my target numbers

[Arlo]

wait you think a 1 hog with A SINGLE 1000 lb and no rockets is the same thing?   

40 ENY TBMs carry 2 1000 lbers and rockets.

[Oldman731]

40 ENY TBMs carry 2 1000 lbers and rockets.

And they're surprisingly agile, with 25% fuel.

Ugly they are, though.

- oldman

[Vinkman]

you all miss the point. If people wanted to fly TBMs they’d fly them.

[Oldman731]

you all miss the point. If people wanted to fly TBMs they’d fly them.

I think we all get the point.  The anti-ENY people want to be able to fly their favorite planes, with their favorite people, no matter what the overall effect on game play may be, because that's why they pay for the game.  The pro-ENY people think it's bad enough to be swarmed, and even worse to be swarmed by Most Excellent Planes.  No one has added anything new to this debate since ENY first was implemented.  No one has come up with a better way - or a way that most agree is better - to counteract the play imbalance created by grossly uneven sides.  Arlo was simply proffering a way to deal with ENY if you're on the big number side and don't want to switch.

- oldman

[Vinkman]

...Arlo was simply proffering a way to deal with ENY if you're on the big number side and don't want to switch.

- oldman

which is white noise masquerading as an alternate solution. 

[Puma44]

I think we all get the point.  The anti-ENY people want to be able to fly their favorite planes, with their favorite people, no matter what the overall effect on game play may be, because that's why they pay for the game.  The pro-ENY people think it's bad enough to be swarmed, and even worse to be swarmed by Most Excellent Planes.  No one has added anything new to this debate since ENY first was implemented.  No one has come up with a better way - or a way that most agree is better - to counteract the play imbalance created by grossly uneven sides.  Arlo was simply proffering a way to deal with ENY if you're on the big number side and don't want to switch.

- oldman

But, you do have to admit this horse has been beaten to an unrecognizable pulp.   

[oboe]

Just wondering, has a suggestion ever been made to use AI pilots to augment the side with the lowest numbers, in order to even out the sides to negate ENY penalties?   

AI bomber formations could fly from large airfields and target enemy strats.   By definition, these would not be 'bomb and bail' missions; nor would they fly at 30,000+ ft.  They could be programmed to fly at 20-25,000 ft and return to a friendly base if possible.   Players on large numbered sides might feel compelled to fly interception missions to defend strats, and this could reduce the size of the horde attacking the low-side's bases.    The AI bomber strikes could be laid out using the mission editor, giving friendly pilots an opportunity to sign on to the mission to provide escort, or add their own buff flight to the group.

[DmonSlyr]

Just wondering, has a suggestion ever been made to use AI pilots to augment the side with the lowest numbers, in order to even out the sides to negate ENY penalties?   

AI bomber formations could fly from large airfields and target enemy strats.   By definition, these would not be 'bomb and bail' missions; nor would they fly at 30,000+ ft.  They could be programmed to fly at 20-25,000 ft and return to a friendly base if possible.   Players on large numbered sides might feel compelled to fly interception missions to defend strats, and this could reduce the size of the horde attacking the low-side's bases.    The AI bomber strikes could be laid out using the mission editor, giving friendly pilots an opportunity to sign on to the mission to provide escort, or add their own buff flight to the group.

AI would significantly screw the fighter stats and I know me personally would be absolutely pissed being ganged by AI in fighters. Or even dying to an AI. It would take away the enjoyment of knowing I'm going up against a real person. Just my opinion.

[Arlo]

which is white noise masquerading as an alternate solution. 

Actually, it was a solution to the problem you presented as you pretended only low ENY fighters could carry the ordinance you needed to deal with the tanks rolling in. Calling it 'white noise' is just you admitting that the 'problem' you presented was just what you thought was a great excuse to complain.

[Arlo]

AI would significantly screw the fighter stats and I know me personally would be absolutely pissed being ganged by AI in fighters. Or even dying to an AI. It would take away the enjoyment of knowing I'm going up against a real person. Just my opinion.

He suggested bombers, not fighters.

[Vinkman]

Actually, it was a solution to the problem you presented as you pretended only low ENY fighters could carry the ordinance you needed to deal with the tanks rolling in. Calling it 'white noise' is just you admitting that the 'problem' you presented was just what you thought was a great excuse to complain.

you just like to argue. in the scenario I mentioned a TBM is not a solution. you picked one point only and didn’t address having to fight off the fighters.  please don’t offer anymore somution attempts, you’ve waited enough time in this thread.

[Arlo]

you just like to argue. in the scenario I mentioned a TBM is not a solution. you picked one point only and didn’t address having to fight off the fighters.  please don’t offer anymore somution attempts, you’ve waited enough time in this thread.

The scenario I specifically addressed:

snobby answer. your assumption that people need crutches is not a accurate one. sometimes  you are the lone defender at a base fighting off multiple tanks and m3s and you just need an D-Hog with ords. NOPE! ENY has shut off all loaded US fighters.

It was a specific answer to your specific scenario. It wasn't a bad one, even. It's just one you didn't want to hear. If you're gonna get all emotional about this then perhaps you need to leave pretend logic and poorly contrived scenarios out of it and just run your campaign on manly tears of the oppressed or sumpin'.

[SPKmes]

Unfortunately there is no helping human nature in these equations... I have been on a side ... more than once .... who actually stated ... they have ENY let's horde them...
The other side had many more people on yes... however they were being attacked from both sides with great number meaning they were actually closely matched to each sides numbers.. The game can not calculate this dynamic... changing sides in these cases does nothing in the grand scheme of things..

you can argue for and against... but the nature of the game player has ruined all fair anyway...no one wants fair these days....fair equals a need for learning and skill building...and