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Offline Mano

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Car dealers going out of business?
« on: December 03, 2020, 01:44:02 PM »
In the coming decade you may see a large percentage of car dealers go out of business because of the emergence of the electric vehicle.  Have you ever paid what you thought was an
insanely overpriced bill from a car dealer? Ever notice how they never fix anything, but just replace the entire part with another expensive OEM part from the same car company? You wonder why that part broke in the first place. I am sure everyone has a story to tell about dealers in general. License to steal? Maybe. Always ask for your old parts so you can inspect them. My local car dealer sold me an extended warranty that was supposed to be equal to the manufacturer's warranty. They did not honor anything and claimed almost everything was exempt from their warranty. I will never buy another so called bumper to bumper warranty ever again.

Electric vehicles require very little maintenance. You still have to replace windshield wipers, washer fluid, cabin air filters, tires and a few other items. Brakes do not need service as
often because the regenerative braking decreases the use of brakes so the pads and brake disks last much longer. Maintenance costs are considerably lower. Updates to the computer are done about once a month and it is through my home WiFi. Updates usually take less than 10 minutes.  There is no need to go into some expensive dealer to do any updates.

If you follow the instructions on battery charging you can get 10 years or more out of your battery. The battery technology continues to evolve for the better and the range increases with each new generation of battery. The weight of the battery is going down, energy density is going up, and the cost of each battery is going down as manufacturing continues. The car batteries are recycled and will not go into any local land fill because all the battery components can be used again.

ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) vehicles have so many moving parts there is always something that inherently breaks and needs a replacement. I have an EV and a Diesel truck and I expect at least 500,000 miles out of the diesel engine before the engine has to be taken out and rebuilt. My EV should go 1 million miles or more before I have to have anything done
to the two electric motors. After 2 and 1/2 years I have not had to do anything to my EV, except plug it in when the battery gets low. I expect to go many more years before I have to do any maintenance. As for my diesel truck, I take it in routinely for expensive maintenance like Fuel Filter Replacement, Oil Filter and Oil change, Air Filter, Lubrication, Smog Check ( I live in CA), Transmission Fluid replacement, and other items. The diesel vehicle is expensive to maintain. 

You cannot stop what is coming. The repairs at a dealership are their bread and butter. Take that away and you will see them disappear altogether. I am not saying this is a good thing or a bad thing, simply they will be gone in the near future much like Block Buster Video.

If Legacy Car Makers do not start doing R and D on batteries they will be left behind and disappear like the dealers.


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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2020, 01:51:07 PM »
Sounds like someone needs to put the koolaid down

Car type does not matter they will always rip you off and if you think they will be so maintanence free as to close dealerships...please put down the koolaid lol

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2020, 01:53:18 PM »
Right on the money. Here's more about the issue dealers have coming up (timestamped link):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLaZBcsGzI&t=636
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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2020, 02:01:42 PM »
If you buy an electric car right now, part of it is paid by all of us. In the future I hope that will not happen. If you actually paid for all of your electric car, you would not buy one.
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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2020, 02:42:36 PM »
If you buy an electric car right now, part of it is paid by all of us. In the future I hope that will not happen. If you actually paid for all of your electric car, you would not buy one.

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2020, 03:10:56 PM »
If you buy an electric car right now, part of it is paid by all of us. In the future I hope that will not happen. If you actually paid for all of your electric car, you would not buy one.

I guess you did not get the memo, again. The $7500 Federal Tax Credit ended 12/31/2018 for Tesla because they sold 200,000 vehicles. Some states offer a rebate or credit but it is not very much. Other EV makers will no longer receive the rebate if they eventually sell 200,000 vehicles. I don't think you should buy an EV. It is way to complicated.  :D :D :D :D :D :rofl

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2020, 03:13:02 PM »
If you buy an electric car right now, part of it is paid by all of us. In the future I hope that will not happen. If you actually paid for all of your electric car, you would not buy one.

So true, a few countries are now thinking about throwing RUC (Road User Charges) in lieu of fuel taxes at EVs.

I'm also waiting for the when EV usage reaches critical mass such that we will see the problems associated with them. That means the current low use of EVs hides problems. Such as battery fires in accidents. Right now it's one or two incidents, I expect as their use increases that will change.

In NZ I hope we get behind hydrogen, we have lots of "clean" energy generation and lots of water. I'd like to see us doing hydrogen tech research, but unfortunately our government thinks planting trees and destroying our agricultural industry is a better idea.

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2020, 04:36:29 PM »
Mano.
 Is this going to be another thread where you spout all your suppositions as fact?


 This forum, is actually getting very comical. There are so many "experts" who couldn't explain their way out of a mason jar without a youtube video.

 Then again, driving home drunk, from the legion, makes one an expert at many things...........that alone provides comedic moments.

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2020, 04:43:20 PM »
I guess you did not get the memo, again. The $7500 Federal Tax Credit ended 12/31/2018 for Tesla because they sold 200,000 vehicles. Some states offer a rebate or credit but it is not very much. Other EV makers will no longer receive the rebate if they eventually sell 200,000 vehicles. I don't think you should buy an EV. It is way to complicated.  :D :D :D :D :D :rofl

That was just direct for the consumer. Small change. The money I refer to is to the manufacturer to keep your price down.
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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2020, 04:51:40 PM »
So true, a few countries are now thinking about throwing RUC (Road User Charges) in lieu of fuel taxes at EVs.

I'm also waiting for the when EV usage reaches critical mass such that we will see the problems associated with them. That means the current low use of EVs hides problems. Such as battery fires in accidents. Right now it's one or two incidents, I expect as their use increases that will change.

In NZ I hope we get behind hydrogen, we have lots of "clean" energy generation and lots of water. I'd like to see us doing hydrogen tech research, but unfortunately our government thinks planting trees and destroying our agricultural industry is a better idea.

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2020, 04:54:10 PM »
Mano.
 Is this going to be another thread where you spout all your suppositions as fact?


 This forum, is actually getting very comical. There are so many "experts" who couldn't explain their way out of a mason jar without a youtube video.

 Then again, driving home drunk, from the legion, makes one an expert at many things...........that alone provides comedic moments.

what did I say that was absolute fact?

Just opinions.

if you would kindly post a source on what you disagree with, it would be appreciated. If you believe that car dealers will thrive and stay in business indefinitely leave a link
or explain why you feel they are not doomed.

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2020, 05:05:19 PM »
Nice try at deflection mano...........

 So far I have neither agreed or disagreed with any of your "suppositions".  In the last thread, that you ran rampant as the supposed expert, you made a number of comments that were not true. I asked about your qualifications in that thread, but you ignored the post.

 So I ask again, is this going to be another thread where you spout all your suppositions as fact?

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2020, 05:18:13 PM »
Do you disagree because you work at a car dealer?

Just curious.

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2020, 05:37:36 PM »
Did you make this post after a bad experience with a car dealer?

Just as curious.

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Re: Car dealers going out of business?
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2020, 05:49:43 PM »
A considerable amount “Green energy” R&D has taken place by nations (companies in them) that haven’t had to pay to support a large military.

Germany is a good example. They’ve had the fortune to be able to do so much with wind and solar and invest into alternative energy, but how’d they get the $ to be able to do that? US bases there, NATO etc providing national defense for them...no navy, almost no AF until this century. Yet at the same time they haven’t had to invest in military R&D they have heavily criticized other nations, one in particular for not doing enough in “green energy, eco friendly” etc.

Has been time for this to change, and it was, a recent event looks like back to the same ‘ole and endless wars    :frown:
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