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Offline pelota

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My Valve Index Review
« on: December 25, 2020, 12:48:36 AM »
OK, I just got this thing (Valve Index) going and it has been a bit of an ordeal to switch from Oculus CV-1 to Steam VR/Index settings.  Actual hardware setup was not difficult.  All is good, but it took some time to ensure that my game settings (planes, account, personal preferences, etc...) remained unchanged.  At any rate, lets get down to the nitty gritty: is it worth the $1,000 making the switch from Oculus CV-1 to the Valve Index?  In my honest opinion, no.  Yes, there is some improvement in the picture clarity (less of the hazy/screen door effect, somewhat clearer gauges and text) when going from Oculus CV-1 to the Index, but the difference is not that significant--certainly not justified by the $1K price tag of the Index.  I think that the FOV is a little bit improved as well. But, again, it is not like my FOV changed from a binoculars view to seeing "wing to wing."  I tinkered with the FOV and managed to max it to about 150 degrees; but, honestly, the "game play" really did not change much for me, as I still use my hat switch joystick button to view what I cannot see, since I favor doing that over turning my head, saving my cervical spine in the process....  We owe lots of gratitude to Hitech for that feature, since anyone with a history of neck pain understands that constantly turning your head 180 degrees in VR can wreak havoc on the neck.  This brings me to my next point about the Index: it is a heavier headset than my Oculus CV-1.  It is comfortable, but it feels heavier on my head, which is a negative from my standpoint, as the cervical spine is now loaded with a heavier weight.  One other thing: the cable that connects to the HMD is thicker and heavier and I do not like the location of the clip, which is more posterior than lateral.  What am I going to do moving forward?  I will look into returning this thing back to Steam (if I can) and likely go back to the Oculus CV-1, instead of sticking with the Valve.  Call me old fashion, but I was really expecting more: much more clarity, more comfort and a lighter HMD, and similar software to Oculus Home, which Steam is not (this is more of a personal preference than a negative).  Well, that is my two cents!  Hope this help those who are on the fence about buying the Valve Index.  Note: my computer specs are the following: CyberpowerPC Gamer Xtreme VR Gaming PC, Liquid Cool Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Super 8GB, 16GB DDR4, 1TB PCI-E NVMe SSD, WiFi Ready & Win 10.  There is definitely plenty of CPU and GPU in this thing to more than handle this game, as I never got below 90 fps playing this (and IL-2 BOS) with my Oculus CV-1.  No frame rate changes were noted between the Oculus and the Index, as I was consistently getting 90+ fps with all features enabled.  Hope this review helps <Salute>



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Re: My Valve Index Review
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2021, 06:25:30 AM »
great point about snap view feature. This is main reason why i find DCS/IL2 just untolerable for long term play.

I was thinking about gettin Index or G2, thanks for feedback.

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Re: My Valve Index Review
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2021, 08:07:57 AM »
Aces high is only flight sim I have found that has the stick views enable in vr

This with its icon system makes this sim the only one I play in vr

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Re: My Valve Index Review
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2021, 10:11:10 AM »
Aces high is only flight sim I have found that has the stick views enable in vr

This with its icon system makes this sim the only one I play in vr

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Tho not directly supported in-game there is a small app developed by an IL2 player that makes use of the hat views to extend the range of view. It's called NeckSafer. Works with SteamVR outside the game and works great. Works with IL2 and now he says also with DCS.

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Re: My Valve Index Review
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2021, 10:54:21 AM »
...but it took some time to ensure that my game settings (planes, account, personal preferences, etc...) remained unchanged. ...

It sounds like you switched game versions. You don't need the Steam version of AH3 to use Steam VR. That's why you get the choice of using Steam VR when you start AH with an Oculus headset.

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Re: My Valve Index Review
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2021, 11:31:43 AM »
There are a few different VR runtimes available that will run AH. I have a RiftS and can run it with the Oculus runtime. You can also run it with SteamVR just fine. There's also OpenCompositeVR I'd installed to run Steam VR games without steam. It gets a bump in performance over Steam VR . You don't need to run AH thru the Oculus or Steam home screens tho. Just run the AH DX11 exe from the desktop as you normally would and you'll get a prompt asking which runtime you'd like to run depending on what you have installed and running (Oculus or OpenVR) or say no to them which starts it on the desktop (not in VR). Either way, if you're in VR and it seems like AH has frozen, peek under the headset and respond to that prompt that's gonna be on the monitor.

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Re: My Valve Index Review
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2021, 03:17:14 AM »
Tho not directly supported in-game there is a small app developed by an IL2 player that makes use of the hat views to extend the range of view. It's called NeckSafer. Works with SteamVR outside the game and works great. Works with IL2 and now he says also with DCS.

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REALLY!!!! :x Dang Wild Turkey..messing with my comprehension! "Works with Steam VR outside the game"?? Not in On-line? An app like VoiceAttack? Just google "NeckSafer"? HOLY STUFF(lol).....GAME CHANGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: My Valve Index Review
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2021, 08:07:48 AM »
REALLY!!!! :x Dang Wild Turkey..messing with my comprehension! "Works with Steam VR outside the game"?? Not in On-line? An app like VoiceAttack? Just google "NeckSafer"? HOLY STUFF(lol).....GAME CHANGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/67985-simple-tool-to-check-your-six/

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Re: My Valve Index Review
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2021, 10:08:33 AM »
I would have linked to the program files but that would have had no explanation of how it works. A Google search didn't get me anything related to this other than a video somebody made testing it out.

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Re: My Valve Index Review
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2021, 10:35:34 AM »
Should not have to run a 3rd party app to make it usable

They should allow 6 and 12 oclock high views

If some consider that "not realistic" they do not have to use the views

To allow 3rd party hacks does not seem the way to go IMO

Dont the multi player servers check for changes like that?

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Re: My Valve Index Review
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2021, 10:59:20 AM »
Should not have to run a 3rd party app to make it usable

They should allow 6 and 12 oclock high views

If some consider that "not realistic" they do not have to use the views

To allow 3rd party hacks does not seem the way to go IMO

Dont the multi player servers check for changes like that?

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I've only been messing around with IL2 for about a year. My biggest turn off about it was not being able to look around in VR without literally breaking my neck. Consequently, I might have logged only a couple of dozen hours online there. Just no fun not being able to track anybody. I see there's a thread in the VR section, a couple of them actually, discussing this exact thing. Been going on for over a year! No hat views in VR there so these guys are coming up with all manner of third party hacks to get a hat switch, and in some cases a button on a game controller, to make this happen. Literally jumping through seventeen flaming hoops! Then one of the programs they'd use would update and not work and they'd start all over again. I posted something like... Maybe just allow hat views in the game? Nothing to set up and it just works for anyone that wants or literally needs it to? Don't want to use the hats and hurt yourself then have at it! Got laughed out of the room! We'll never go back to hat views! We're all abouts the realisms! I was like.. But guys... Isn't that EXACTLY what you're all trying to do? Silly me Lol!

Then last month this guy comes out with this super easy to set up program that... Gets the hat views to work. And he's a superstar! Hilarious.

Of course the realism guys are all using TIR where you can check six+ by simply budging your head left or right but that's OK! Totally real! The playing field is getting leveled on them now.

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Re: My Valve Index Review
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2021, 06:13:46 PM »
 :aok Thanks! Looks interesting. 

You are correct, a "program link" link would have had me scratching my head..so you did GOOD in posting the article :rock :rofl
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