Crazy vid of skydiving aircraft departing controlled flight.

[Tec]

Not quite as good as the Superior midair, but still pretty nuts.

[CptTrips]

Omg.

That's insane.

[Devil 505]

That's a brown pants moment!

[Maverick]

Looked like the plane got real close to some of the sky divers. I am not impressed with his attempts to recover from the spin. Looks like he almost had it then lost it again twice before went into the clouds. Since there was no indication of a crash in the video I assume he / she did make it.

[Puma44]

Looked like the plane got real close to some of the sky divers. I am not impressed with his attempts to recover from the spin. Looks like he almost had it then lost it again twice before went into the clouds. Since there was no indication of a crash in the video I assume he / she did make it.

It appears the pilot got it into a secondary stall during Mr Toad’s Wild Ride.  Also looks like someone or something departed the aircraft after the second stall. 

A friend during college flew skydivers in his Cessna 180 on the weekends.  On one first flight of the day with a load of divers, the oil access door came loose and started flapping in the wind right after liftoff.  He made a quick turn around and landed to attend to the issue.  All the skydivers were terrified because not a one of them had ever landed in an airplane before that day.

[Busher]

It appears the pilot got it into a secondary stall during Mr Toad’s Wild Ride.  Also looks like someone or something departed the aircraft after the second stall. 

A friend during college flew skydivers in his Cessna 180 on the weekends.  On one first flight of the day with a load of divers, the oil access door came loose and started flapping in the wind right after liftoff.  He made a quick turn around and landed to attend to the issue.  All the skydivers were terrified because not a one of them had ever landed in an airplane before that day.

Puma, do you think the King Air pilot might just have been contributing to the "show"? His spin entry and actions during recovery have the odor of showmanship.

[Volron]

A comment and a reply to that comment I saw...

Comment 1:
"Probably best in the future to idle both engines and descend to maintain speed while everyone is out on the door.  I understand why the pilot idled #1, for the jumpers, but asymmetrical thrust while at high altitude, low speed, atypical drag situation, disrupted airflow to the tail, and bad CG, is a perfect recipe for a spin."

Reply to that Comment:
"Me thinks this is a perfect Vmc demonstration. I think the mistake was the quick change in CG as the jumpers headed towards the door. Did you notice just right before this event happened the nose of the King Air pitched up.

Slow flight just above Vmc with an immediate change in Aft CG caused the venerable Stall / Spin and Recovery which btw was videoed nicely the jumper.

Just my two cents but I would like to see some NTSB or similar explanation"




I know nothing of the aircraft, so I don't know her quirks, especially when it comes to load shifting like that.  If someone knows someone who's done a lot of skydiver transport with this aircraft, give em a ring.  They should be able to give you a decent idea of what happened.

EDIT: I get the feeling Columbo would have had a good idea of how this played out.

[Puma44]

Puma, do you think the King Air pilot might just have been contributing to the "show"? His spin entry and actions during recovery have the odor of showmanship.

That’s quite possible but, there does appear to be a couple of panic moves in the mix.

[Busher]

That’s quite possible but, there does appear to be a couple of panic moves in the mix.

I'd like to know what that debris was that departed the King Air at 1:40.

I had a little time on King Air C90's in my youth (I think that's the model in the video) and they are NOT approved for intentional spins in any configuration....... and he had flaps extended. Either way he's either lucky or a complete idiot.

[mechanic]

I am feeling it is likely the debris at 1:40 was another skydiver. I imagine being ejected unwillingly or managing to throw them self out. Flaps are always extended during run in as the exit speed needs to be low enough to safely jump. I think the beech runs in at about 90knts or so. Most drop planes run in around 80knts.

It's a well known fact that certain aircraft have a tendency to stall on jump run if too many skydivers are crowded into the tail. The beech is one of them. The caravan is another notorious for it.

The big group should have known better, taken less time in the door and the last divers should have waited closer to the nose in the cabin and then run down to the exit as the group left. We all get briefed on these things and there should always be a red line with a sign stating max skydivers behind the line at once.

I would almost certain say the stall was not showmanship. If it was the pilot would have been willingly throwing away the chance to ever work as a jump pilot, or indeed aviation full stop, again. Not to mention potentially wrecking the aircraft into free falling bodies.

As far as I know everyone survived this incident

[Puma44]

Found this in comments on a fb page:

[Busher]

Found this in comments on a fb page:

Thank you for this.

[Shuffler]

I am feeling it is likely the debris at 1:40 was another skydiver. I imagine being ejected unwillingly or managing to throw them self out. Flaps are always extended during run in as the exit speed needs to be low enough to safely jump. I think the beech runs in at about 90knts or so. Most drop planes run in around 80knts.

It's a well known fact that certain aircraft have a tendency to stall on jump run if too many skydivers are crowded into the tail. The beech is one of them. The caravan is another notorious for it.

The big group should have known better, taken less time in the door and the last divers should have waited closer to the nose in the cabin and then run down to the exit as the group left. We all get briefed on these things and there should always be a red line with a sign stating max skydivers behind the line at once.

I would almost certain say the stall was not showmanship. If it was the pilot would have been willingly throwing away the chance to ever work as a jump pilot, or indeed aviation full stop, again. Not to mention potentially wrecking the aircraft into free falling bodies.

As far as I know everyone survived this incident

Speaking from experience.... and you were correct. That's why we have such a great group here whenever it comes to flight.