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Offline Bopgun

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Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« on: May 16, 2022, 10:03:57 PM »
Just buzzin around in the amazing Monday Night Madness when I get jumped by a Brewster. After The short fight the individual accused me of taking a Head On shot and left in a huff.

Now normally I really don't care about this kind of crap but the MNM has a specific rule against it so I'd like to keep the record straight. Does anyone else believe this was what we consider a "HO" shot???
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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2022, 10:12:01 PM »
If that's a HO shot, than any shot is a HO shot.

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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2022, 10:20:35 PM »
Not going to watch the film because I am too busy but when flying these games you need to understand that at times you and your opponent are not actually seeing the identical same thing due to the fact of how  the internet works and 2 separate FEs plus what the server is getting and sending back.

Lusche has recorded/ films and all to show all this information many years ago

Edit:  or might have been batfink...
Just  letting y'all know

Hope this helps

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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2022, 10:24:29 PM »
Not going to watch the film because I am too busy but when flying these games you need to understand that at times you and your opponent are not actually seeing the identical same thing due to the fact of how  the internet works and 2 separate FEs plus what the server is getting and sending back.


While this is certainly true, there would have to be a really huge difference for anyone to call that a HO.  Why don't you ask OOPK for his/her film?  Could be interesting.

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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2022, 11:40:42 PM »
TC, you really should watch the clip.

While what you posted is very true, the victim is simply making excuses for getting reversed and shot from the high 6 position after overshooting.

It's really laughable.
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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2022, 02:10:42 AM »
TC, you really should watch the clip.

While what you posted is very true, the victim is simply making excuses for getting reversed and shot from the high 6 position after overshooting.

It's really laughable.

Now that sounds hilarious 😂 😃...I will try to get to before to see it this weekend...got doctors and stuff....damn fingers hurt and are not willing to worry too right for 3me...ah f it.
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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2022, 02:18:49 AM »
My memory just reminded me of something from long ago Devil505,  was it not y'alls AW 505 squad that came to me and asked to help y'all get your AW Squadron website going?  Hehe I can't believe that just came back to my memory  right now 😅

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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2022, 07:32:13 AM »
My memory just reminded me of something from long ago Devil505,  was it not y'alls AW 505 squad that came to me and asked to help y'all get your AW Squadron website going?  Hehe I can't believe that just came back to my memory  right now 😅

<S> and cheers

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No, my name is a reference to Flight of the Intruder. The A-6 often flown by the protagonist, Jake Grafton, has the radio call sign of Devil 505.

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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2022, 02:42:51 PM »
If that's a HO shot, than any shot is a HO shot.

Apparently any time 00PK is shot at its a Head On
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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2022, 04:10:25 PM »
Apparently any time 00PK is shot at its a Head On

I was there and don't remember 00PK's comment, but the film doesn't do justice to the confused atmosphere in MNM.  The fog and the decreased enemy icon range is enough to confuse me.  I spend a lot of time dodging between buildings with someone on my six and the stall buzzer going off n my ear.

And it's not unusual that I look forward after checking my six and find a red icon at D6 and closing.  I think there's a difference between that and the deliberate HO.  And, in my opinion, what I saw on the film, and I watched both the 'recorded views' and 'external' view, didn't look like an HO to me.
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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2022, 05:59:33 PM »
I was there and don't remember 00PK's comment, but the film doesn't do justice to the confused atmosphere in MNM.  The fog and the decreased enemy icon range is enough to confuse me.  I spend a lot of time dodging between buildings with someone on my six and the stall buzzer going off n my ear.

And it's not unusual that I look forward after checking my six and find a red icon at D6 and closing.  I think there's a difference between that and the deliberate HO.  And, in my opinion, what I saw on the film, and I watched both the 'recorded views' and 'external' view, didn't look like an HO to me.

Passing each other head-on like it the situation described is OK, firing while passing head-on is not.

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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2022, 09:13:56 PM »
Passing each other head-on like it the situation described is OK, firing while passing head-on is not.

Fugitive, I respect your opinion.  So, if I'm avoiding a HO situation and fire a burst, is that firing in an HO or a deflection shot?  MNM is about the only place I engage in ACM, but my thinking has been that, whenever I believe my rounds have a reasonable chance at hitting my target, it's time to fire.  I'm not trying to be argumentative, but there are players who do not value chivalry and then there are those who go full throttle into the dark side of the game.

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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2022, 09:35:18 PM »
Cant believe someone actually complained about it.  Its all good. Best of times.
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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2022, 05:22:41 AM »
Cant believe someone actually complained about it.  Its all good. Best of times.

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Re: Would any of you consider this a Head On?
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2022, 06:55:46 AM »
Unless it's stated somewhere I have never seen, it's not against the rules to ho in ma.

Stop crying about it and don't put yourself in a position for it if you don't want it..

If you are in a turny plane or have your buddies around you and you see a lone g2 with gonds coming your way, please expect my ho..sorry my first choice is not to turn fight lol

Anything outside 11 to 1 is not a ho, many not seeing the angle correctly on their fe will complain it is..

If you are alone in any plane and a 109f4 is headed your way, I will not ho

Unless the setup is non ho - see MNM where planes pass by head on all night as hoing is not tolerated  - I expected it as it happens more than it doesn't

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