Something you won't find in your mainstream media

[DmonSlyr]

Guns are not the issue

The issue is the intent and desire to bring murderous harm to others

Having those feelings is the issue that needs attention not guns

Guns is just a means to carry out those sick thoughts

Fix the sick thoughts and your gun problem goes away

Take away guns without fixing the sick minds, the sick minds will just find another meanscto do what the sick voice in their heads are telling them to do..

But gun control talk is highly emotional and looks like they care and want to do something while continuing to divide us on yet another issue warped for just that purpose IMO..

Not to mention the cost of mental health...

Eagler

You will generally never be able to stop people from their minds or thoughts, or more importantly, their actions, especially with all of the propaganda and violence in movies and everything else today. However, they are working on Mind control frequencies and have been for a long time in order to curtail this. That is a very slippery slope and of course the nay sayers will call you crazy for putting attention on it.

That is why the founders explicitly put the second Amendment in the constitution. If crazy lunatics, especially those who gain power, can have access to arms, than so should the people of that country to protect themselves from those crazy lunatics. That's the whole point.

[MiloMorai]

You will generally never be able to stop people from their minds or thoughts, or more importantly, their actions, especially with all of the propaganda and violence in movies and everything else today. However, they are working on Mind control frequencies and have been for a long time in order to curtail this. That is a very slippery slope and of course the nay sayers will call you crazy for putting attention on it.

That is why the founders explicitly put the second Amendment in the constitution. If crazy lunatics, especially those who gain power, can have access to arms, than so should the people of that country to protect themselves from those crazy lunatics. That's the whole point.

Like #45?

[MiloMorai]

Also you can't hold gun manufacturers responsible for crimes committed with them anymore than you can hold Ford responsible for speeding, dui or road rage incidents in one of their vehicles..

Politicians are nuts to the point of being criminally sad these days...interesting to see if we survive them.

Eagler

But auto manufacturers were held accountable for the design of some of their vehicles that cost lives.

Time for term limits for all politicians.

[decoy]

No, everybody isn't. SCOTUS can't amend. So, not end of story. 

Arlo, I'm going to respectfully disagree.  The Supreme Court is, the final say on whether a law is constitutional or not.  That is their purpose.  They did not change the 2ndA.  What the SCOTUS did was rule that Washington D.C.'s law was unconstitutional, and in doing so, ruled that the right to keep and bear arms does, in fact, descend to the individual citizen and not just to State National Guards or the U.S. Army Reserve.

But, just as in the case of Roe v Wade, if a group wants the D.C. v Heller verdict to be overturned, then the case of D.C v Heller must be reheard.

The recent leak of the draft opinion by the SCOTUS, seemed to me to only serve to weaken the 'perceived' authority of the Court, but it didn't weaken the Court's authority by any means.  The SCOTUS still has the ultimate say so about law in the United States.  Too argue otherwise is futile.

[decoy]

But auto manufacturers were held accountable for the design of some of their vehicles that cost lives.

Time for term limits for all politicians.

Obviously, because the design of the vehicle was defective.  Firearm manufacturers are held accountable to faulty designs.  A recent example is Sturm, Ruger, & Co. and their Ruger Mark IV .22 pistol.  It was determined that, in certain situations, the gun could still be fired with the safety in the 'on' position.  Hence the recall.  But there's a difference between a design flaw and reckless use of a product.

Nobody holds Budweiser responsible for drunk drivers. 

I'm not sure how product liability is related to term limits in your thinking, but go ahead.

[DmonSlyr]

Like #45?

Funny because the current one is actively hurting far more citizens with his policies while trying to take away our rights for protection. #45 supported your rights to defend yourself. Isn't that interesting. Oh and #45 exposed the south side of Chicago and all of the gang murders while the current one covers it up and continues to attack law abiding citizens instead.

[Eagler]

Like #45?

I think moderna is working on a TDS clot shot ..

It will come with endless boosters for cases like yours

Eagler

[DmonSlyr]

Remember, this was written even before Columbine

[FLS]

True, non assault rifles have a safety select and a semi auto selection

"Try buying one. Selective fire makes it an assault rifle as far as the term has any real meaning..."

Debunked above

 

That's your argument? Renaming the safety as a fire selector? If the choices are Fire/Safe, then it's a safety switch. If the choice is Auto/Single/Safe then it's a selective FIRE switch. 

[FLS]

Guess that points out that we have a school problem then.

We do but the actual number of school shootings in that period is 13 not 288.

[MiloMorai]

I think moderna is working on a TDS clot shot ..

It will come with endless boosters for cases like yours

Eagler

45 is a clear and present danger to the USoA. Jan 6 is a clear indication of such.

[FLS]

....

Could you for once have a smidgen of self-control and not derail a thread?

[JimmyD3]

But auto manufacturers were held accountable for the design of some of their vehicles that cost lives.

Time for term limits for all politicians.

Well Milomorai, I am shocked, we Finally agree on something. 

[MiloMorai]

The recent leak of the draft opinion by the SCOTUS, seemed to me to only serve to weaken the 'perceived' authority of the Court, but it didn't weaken the Court's authority by any means.  The SCOTUS still has the ultimate say so about law in the United States.  Too argue otherwise is futile.

The SC is suppose to be non-partisan but isn't anymore.

[nrshida]

That's not a real definition. An assault rifle is a selective fire sub-caliber rifle.

It is in essence precisely the military definition of an assault rifle. Further, sub-calibre is a munition whose diameter is less that the bore such as is the case with a saboted round. I think you mean intermediate cartridge. But as I said, it's irrelevant how you categarize the weapon.

Guns do not cause school shootings.

What about: certain guns amplify the casualties in such 'postal events'? Surely even the most ardent firearms-admirer would concede this point in order to reserve any pretence of reason.

It's disgusting using kids deaths to disarm law abiding Americans...

Well when you (not you in particular or personally FPS) find the needless death of innocents more disgusting and those irriplaceable lives more precious than your irrationally-worshipped weapons which go far beyond hunting or leisure or even (stretching it:) self-defence needs, then perhaps you would - paradoxically - demonstrate you are mature enough to have so many of them floating around.

...without doing anything to stop the actual problems of mental health issues and criminal violence.

You cannot stop that. In fact presently you are unable to minimise its growth. Your culture celebrates force and idolises power as the go-to-solution for all problems. You have a uniquely selectively competitive society, set against inequality of opportunity and without what is considered in the rest of the developed world basic rights. Your groups are clustered by faction & not community. You are essentially locked into a civil cold war with little discord or communication just occassional shouting at each other. The forthcoming generation is unable to set a reasonable career course or an optimistic future because large conglomerates run amok with less regulation than royal houses of long-ago. Into this mix you throw FPS for 18-25-year olds, endless Hollywood fantasy movies, inadequate mental health care and the availability of actual weopons only dreamed about in the Great War: 400 rounds easily carried about your person limited only by your finger getting tired and you guys are perplexed why this keeps happening.