Something you won't find in your mainstream media

[Vulcan]

I was going to say we would obviously prefer non firearms-equipped gangsters, but with shooting like that    Your police spokesman doesn't inspire confidence. Is there no plan?

Yes well that's the whole issue. Govt here came down hard on law abiding licensed firearms owners. The christchurch gunman got a firearms license because the nz police failed to follow their own rules in issuing a license and ignore lots of red flags (he wasn't even a NZ citizen/resident). Everyone here thinks the buyback was a failure, and drove the weapons they were seeking to confiscate underground into the hands of gangs - though that reflects poorly on licensed gun owners (and is a supportive argument for a gun register).

The current govt is the our left wing party, and believe it or not gangs are part of their voting base. There are ~8000 patched members, and unknown amount of unpatched (maybe 5:1 ratio?). So maybe 48000, then multiply that by family members that can vote then you're looking at a few hundred thousand potential voters. There are videos kicking around on youtube of senior gang leadership actively encouraging gang members and families to make sure they vote for our left wing party as they know the other parties will crack down on them.

So our current govt is seen as soft on gangs - and rightfully so IMHO.

We also have a second issue of '501s'. 501s are criminals deported from Aussie. NZ and Aussie have had a sort of free travel/visa waiver agreement for years. For example I could pack up my bags, jump on a plane and move to Aussie without any paperwork if I wanted. All I need is a passport. Well these 501s are typically Kiwis that moved to Aussie with their families when they were young (many < 1 year old). Some grew about to be nasty bastards, criminals etc. So Aussie is using a loophole to send them back here. They are typically more violent, and more prone to using weapons than Kiwi gang members (if you google Australia 501s you'll find more information).

[guncrasher]

vulcan anything you can add to this or perhaps fix wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_New_Zealand

I wish that in the cities around me the number of murders were the same as new zeland.  and trust me, I live feeling safe.


a few hundred thousand gang members voting, do they allow felons to vote, I honestly  could not find a reliable source.  but I find it hard to believe that convicted gang members would be allowed to vote all at the same time.  then I also find it hard to believe that all family members would actually support them, I mean some would but not all and I find it hard to believe that all gang members plus their supporting family members actually register to vote.

which let's say for the sake of argument there's 200k to 300k gang members and or family members that vote at every election.  there's 2.8  million registered voters and doing this from memory that voted.

so you mean that if good citizens voted on the side of felons, then it's not the felons fault.  it was the good citizens that allowed that.  or it could be the good citizens think they're doing the right thing and you and a few others think otherwise, because well I have seen people with foil on their heads.  just like it happens around here.  everything is a conspiracy to some people.

I dont live there and other than news, I dont have much info, not sure if the info I have is correct.  but can you expand on what I think?  provide better links?


semp

[MiloMorai]

Here I believe once you have served your sentence you are allowed to vote again.

[guncrasher]

when we have a republican against republican in the primaries and they call the electron fraud.  who is really committing fraud?  what the hell are they fighting against? they call crap against each other, so who are we supposed to believe?  everybody cheats? one rep got something like 5 or 10 percent vote and called that she was cheated against another rep.

what have we become?  who do you believe?


semp

[Vulcan]

vulcan anything you can add to this or perhaps fix wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_New_Zealand

I wish that in the cities around me the number of murders were the same as new zeland.  and trust me, I live feeling safe.


a few hundred thousand gang members voting, do they allow felons to vote, I honestly  could not find a reliable source.  but I find it hard to believe that convicted gang members would be allowed to vote all at the same time.  then I also find it hard to believe that all family members would actually support them, I mean some would but not all and I find it hard to believe that all gang members plus their supporting family members actually register to vote.

which let's say for the sake of argument there's 200k to 300k gang members and or family members that vote at every election.  there's 2.8  million registered voters and doing this from memory that voted.

so you mean that if good citizens voted on the side of felons, then it's not the felons fault.  it was the good citizens that allowed that.  or it could be the good citizens think they're doing the right thing and you and a few others think otherwise, because well I have seen people with foil on their heads.  just like it happens around here.  everything is a conspiracy to some people.

I dont live there and other than news, I dont have much info, not sure if the info I have is correct.  but can you expand on what I think?  provide better links?


semp

We don't have felons here. You either have criminal history/record or you don't. If you are behind bars for more than 3 years you cannot vote.

200-300k gang based votes is up to 10% of the vote, when elections are tight that's enough to make a difference. We also use an MMP voting system (Mixed Member Proportional).

[guncrasher]

We don't have felons here. You either have criminal history/record or you don't. If you are behind bars for more than 3 years you cannot vote.

200-300k gang based votes is up to 10% of the vote, when elections are tight that's enough to make a difference. We also use an MMP voting system (Mixed Member Proportional).

dont understand what mmp means, would you care to explain?  just saying because I believe your country had a murder rate in the 2 maybe 3 dozen.  counting the let's the next 15 cities around me with not even 1/2 the population have a murder rate 3 times.

so that leads me to believe that the gangs dont go to jail as often as they do here for more than 3 years.  and somehow they still become willing to vote, just saying because according to the gangs here, they have no interest in voting.  they dont give a crap who's in power, but somehow in your country, gangs want to be good citizens and vote.  that's what I see.


semp

edit: i guess your gangs are more civilized that the gangs around my city.  keep in mind, some of the gangs in your country are the same as here.  see them all the time around the american legion and vfw.  except the gangs around here dont vote, they cant.

[Brooke]

when we have a republican against republican in the primaries and they call the electron fraud.  who is really committing fraud?  what the hell are they fighting against? they call crap against each other, so who are we supposed to believe?  everybody cheats? one rep got something like 5 or 10 percent vote and called that she was cheated against another rep.

what have we become?  who do you believe?


semp

Not sure what specifically you are referring to, but given that various political offices influence large flows of money, there are large motivations involved.

As a result, dirty dealing over political positions is as old as political positions themselves.

[guncrasher]

Not sure what specifically you are referring to, but given that various political offices influence large flows of money, there are large motivations involved.

As a result, dirty dealing over political positions is as old as political positions themselves.

aint that always the truth.


semp

edit: it's all about the money now.  I got cheated send me money.

[zack1234]

when we have a republican against republican in the primaries and they call the electron fraud.  who is really committing fraud?  what the hell are they fighting against? they call crap against each other, so who are we supposed to believe?  everybody cheats? one rep got something like 5 or 10 percent vote and called that she was cheated against another rep.

what have we become?  who do you believe?


semp

The majority of Americans are politically ignorant and illiterate.

You obtain your political ideology from Comedians and Super hero films.

At least we have come to terms with our politicals.

You call China your enemy when your whole economy is based on Chinese labour.

Your mortgages are based on Chinese investments

Clinton and Obama love you all.

Monkey pox and the Ukraine……put your mask on and bend the knee.

Voting fraud

Do you think your politicals actually discuss voting fraud or are they thinking of the next drama for the American hysteric.

[guncrasher]

I just wish more people understand that all we have is this country.  and we should get together and make it better. sometimes i get down and lose faith, but then I hear from others that we need to work together and that what makes it worthy, reps, libs, dems right, left we should come all together. and I hope we do.


semp

[zack1234]

All you have is your family and friends.


The political does not care about your country…fact

If they did it would put it first…fact

[nrshida]

Yes well that's the whole issue...

A knotty problem. It's a national issue suggesting political goals ought to be set aside to solve this as it seems like it's growing. I think the biggest shock for a lot of Europeans about the latest Ukrainian invasion was the assunption that Putin and the Russians in general were civilised and given his position a reasonable fellow until it was pointed out he was K.G.B. and they were conditioned to infer weakness as a sign to attack. You don't pet an aggressive dog.

Still a job for the professionals though imho.

[Eagler]

I'll take your nz gun violence and raise you Chicagos...

My guess is there are more shootings in lovely Chicago in a weekend then NZ sees in a month if not months..

Eagler

[MiloMorai]

And the guns in Chicago come the neighbouring Red States.

[zack1234]

A knotty problem. It's a national issue suggesting political goals ought to be set aside to solve this as it seems like it's growing. I think the biggest shock for a lot of Europeans about the latest Ukrainian invasion was the assunption that Putin and the Russians in general were civilised and given his position a reasonable fellow until it was pointed out he was K.G.B. and they were conditioned to infer weakness as a sign to attack. You don't pet an aggressive dog.

Still a job for the professionals though imho.

Gibberish from a European

Assumption that Tony Blair and Bush were civilised when they invaded Iraq because the Saudi back Bin Ladin.

Your another individual who follows the peasant paranoia.

The Ukraine war is already decided if you think it’s not carry on watching and listening to your masters.

Europeans sticking hashtags and Ukrainian flags on their company’s and media.

No wonder the Chinese and Swiss despise you all.

WEF meeting in Switzerland not even a member of the EU full of politicals and unelected discussing your futures

The Swiss economy is based on war crimminals money and drug dealers.

The East India Company has nothing on these.

Blind eye to murder discussed the Swiss, problem is you don’t read books, your masters have given you wikidiot.

Ukraine monkey pox covid.

You peasants do as your told