Something you won't find in your mainstream media

[knorB]

I believe this did not occur in the limo.  It was in one of the SUV.

It did t happen at all.

[Brooke]

I hear a lot of how keystone being canceled is one of the factors in high gas prices. Fact! It was a make work project as it was canceled a year or 2 before in Canada, so tell me exactly how it could be a reason when it would have been a pipeline to a dead end with no product to move?

Keystone Pipeline phases 1, 2, 3a, and 3b are already complete.  It transfers up to 700,000 barrels of oil per day.  It transfers oil from Canada to the US, but also from places in US to other places in US.

The part that was cancelled is Phase 4.   That would increase capacity to 800,000 barrels/day but more importantly add ability to get oil from the huge US Bakken Formation and get it to distribution places in the US.

If phase 4 were done, would it reduce gasoline price by much?  Who knows?

[Brooke]

It did t happen at all.

Video proof.

https://twitter.com/NautPoso/status/1542320284216299526?s=20&t=b8avpSUUHubEr2LeaU_Ycg

[knorB]

 

Video proof.

https://twitter.com/NautPoso/status/1542320284216299526?s=20&t=b8avpSUUHubEr2LeaU_Ycg

[nopoop]

Lol !!! 

[CptTrips]

It did t happen at all.

How do you know that?

I understand reasonable skepticism, but you seem to be stating that with absolute confidence.

Hutchinson was only conveying what she had been told.  I'd like to see testimony under oath of the agent who was driving before making a final judgement.

Would you agree that would be a reasonable step? 

[CptTrips]

I don't believe this video is clear enough to prove Trump grabbed at the wheel, but it does show he is in the SUV and not " The Beast" limo.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-presidential-limo-capitol-january-6-committee-cassidy-hutchinson-1720126

Public testimony, under oath, by the driver would be the best way to resolve this.

[Brooke]

Maybe such information is on the way.

"CBS News: Limo driver, SS agent willing to testify before Jan. 6 committee to refute aide's claims"
https://www.khou.com/article/news/national/former-white-house-staff-prepared-to-testify-against-claims-by-former-aide-jan-6-hearing/285-30cee1c6-242e-4bf3-a43a-e5221ad37335

National Review:  "Secret Service Agent Willing to Testify Trump Never Lunged at Him, Contradicting White House Aide"
https://news.yahoo.com/secret-agent-willing-testify-trump-124545568.html

[CptTrips]

Maybe such information is on the way.

I hope so.  It's not the fundamental issue here, but it's salacious enough that we need to get the clear facts.

Maybe Trump  didn't grab at the wheel at all.
Maybe Trump grabbed at the wheel and then accidentally made contact with the agent as he fell back.
Maybe Trump struck at his ear instead of his clavicle. 
Maybe Trump grabbed at the wheel and then grabbed at the agent in a ft of fury.
Maybe the events conveyed to Hutchinson were exaggerated in the retelling.
Maybe she made the whole thing up.

There were larger issues in play that day, but this issue seems reasonably easy to resolve.  I'll obviously accept the direct testimony of the driver over Hutchison's as she admits her knowledge of that event was second hand. 

But it needs to be public and under oath.
 
[Edit]  Clarification.  I want to hear from the driver not Tony Ornato.  Not saying he can't testify, but I will base my judgement on what the driver says.   

[MiloMorai]

They have a reputation of being Trump 'yes men'.

The former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson received at least one message tacitly warning her not to cooperate with the House January 6 select committee from an associate of former chief of staff Mark Meadows, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

The message in question was the second of two warnings the committee disclosed at the end of its explosive special hearing on Tuesday, when Hutchinson testified about matters including how Donald Trump directed a crowd he knew was armed to march on the Capitol, the sources said.

“[A person] let me know you have your deposition tomorrow. He wants me to let you know that he’s thinking about you. He knows you’re loyal, and you’re going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition,” the message read. The redaction was “Meadows”, the sources said.

The message was presented in closing remarks at the special hearing by the committee vice-chair, Liz Cheney, who characterized the missive as improper pressure on a crucial witness that could constitute illegal witness tampering or intimidation.

[guncrasher]

There are twitter captures of these military members questioning their oaths, this country and their duty they swore to uphold over abortion being handed to the individual states to do as their constituents prefer.

You’d of course have to read the article and watch the video…

And after Busher just got done calling conservatives/Republicans closed minded…

sure a captain would do that.  and somebody just happened to capture it.  I am more inclined to believe steve bannor did not steal all that money from the wall.

btw if you want I can send you screen shots of an army general asking my wife for her phone number on Facebook.


semp

[guncrasher]

Keystone Pipeline phases 1, 2, 3a, and 3b are already complete.  It transfers up to 700,000 barrels of oil per day.  It transfers oil from Canada to the US, but also from places in US to other places in US.

The part that was cancelled is Phase 4.   That would increase capacity to 800,000 barrels/day but more importantly add ability to get oil from the huge US Bakken Formation and get it to distribution places in the US.

If phase 4 were done, would it reduce gasoline price by much?  Who knows?

most of that oil is sold overseas.  we have plenty of oil now,  what we don't have is refineries. because well they're making a killing anyway, why reopen the others.


semp

[CptTrips]

most of that oil is sold overseas.  we have plenty of oil now,  what we don't have is refineries. because well they're making a killing anyway, why reopen the others.

Actually I believe it's more of a "Not in My Back Yard" issue.  No one apparently wants to live next to a refinery.

There have even been suggestions of putting refineries on decommissioned military bases to get around state\local resistance.

[CptTrips]

Hutchinson’s testimony has drawn public attention. But I think it’s misunderstood. The significance is not whether Trump skirmished with the agents in the SUV. It is that Trump was furious that the agents would not take him to the Capitol, where he was planning to join in the protest by what — according to Hutchinson — the former president knew was an armed mob, one he had just implored to “fight” for him (his lip-service caveats about “peaceful” protest notwithstanding).

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/07/the-january-6-committee-should-release-the-engel-and-ornato-depositions/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=right-rail&utm_content=featured-writers&utm_term=first

[Brooke]

But it needs to be public and under oath.

There are two ways if that doesn't happen:
1.  Refutation is fake.
2.  Refutation is true, but the refuters aren't called in.