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Offline Eagler

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Trimming your aircraft
« on: October 28, 2023, 08:49:03 AM »
Can you trim a single engine plane in AH to fly hands off without using an auto level of some sort?

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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2023, 10:07:08 AM »
sure, that's what trim is for.  But changes in speed will start to cause changes to flight based on old trim.  Not sure why you'd want to unless you think autopilot is making unnecessary corrections and holding you back a knot or two.
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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2023, 10:45:48 AM »
Thanks

Trying to figure out how much if any manual trim in this game is better than the auto combat trim I think most use

Is CT like the stall limiter that limits the planes actual ability?

Watching some films of the dueling arena show the winner is manual trimming..he is kicking ct on then off in the beginning of each bout and stays manual throughout though I can't see the trim levels actually change in the recordings..

Do you trim all axis or just elevator and rudder?

Does aileron trim work on all planes?

I can't get it to trim in the k4..might be my hotas setup

I am curious to see who tries to manual trim in an a2a and which axis

I am thinking my use of manual trim at max deflection is getting me killed by the manual pilots who are able to then sail above me the roll over and with uncanny accuracy pop my stalled target..

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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2023, 10:45:54 AM »
Can you adjust sensitivity on trim controls?  I just use combat trim.

I'd assume if you can make the trim controls super sensitive, you could almost fly your plane with them to some extent.

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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2023, 10:57:53 AM »
Thanks Lazerr..even while fighting?

I can't trim to fly hands free..not sure if it's the missing aileron trim..wondering if anyone else can..

Twin engine planes might be easier as they are not fighting prop torque

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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2023, 11:03:03 AM »
Popping CT on then off is like trimming manually, but getting it close everytime in a second.

Turning it on trims your plane for the speed it is doing, and turning it off leaves it there.

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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2023, 11:15:27 AM »
Popping CT on then off is like trimming manually, but getting it close everytime in a second.

Turning it on trims your plane for the speed it is doing, and turning it off leaves it there.

Thanks Fugitive

I've seen this and use it as manual trim rudder seems to send it way out of center when changing speed

Do you then try to manual trim or just pop the ct on and off repeatedly during a2a?

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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2023, 12:10:32 PM »
In my experience, 99% of the time you shouldn't remove combat trim because once you pull around for the shot your plane is not balanced and can make it harder to aim while also burning extra E. In the MA, you are hardly ever going to need to turn off combat trim to "turn better". You'd be better off using better angles and throttle flap control.

For the record, I wouldn't trust leaving your computer for more than 2 minutes If only using manual trim and not autopilot. Even that might be too long...
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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2023, 12:33:39 PM »
Can you trim a single engine plane in AH to fly hands off without using an auto level of some sort?

Eagler

Every time power and/or speed changes, any aircraft (real world or in game) has to be trimmed if a “hands off” state is desired.  The Mustang trim wheels shown below are very responsive to pilot input when needed for power and airspeed changes.




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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2023, 01:02:13 PM »
Can anyone manual trim in AH and fly hands off?

I would think you should be able to for a short bit but I can't do it at all..

But I can't do it in IL2 or DCS either so just wondering if it was me

Thanks for your takes on the subject!  :salute

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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2023, 01:45:17 PM »
Can anyone manual trim in AH and fly hands off?

I would think you should be able to for a short bit but I can't do it at all..

But I can't do it in IL2 or DCS either so just wondering if it was me

Thanks for your takes on the subject!  :salute

Eagler

Eagler, assuming you’ve calibrated the stick, just as in real world, it won’t flying forever without some pilot input tweaking of the trim.  My setup will trim hands off for a bit but, will drift at some point.



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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2023, 02:02:46 PM »
Thanks Pumpa calibration might be part of my issue

Do you keep CT on or just pop it occasionally like Fugi does?

That Skyyr fellow seems to keep it off after a rest at the start of his dueling

I seem to get a better response if it's popped to reset trim as others have noted then try to manual alittle during the fight with the rotor trim but that is just elevator trim..

Rudder trim starts to get wonky quickly and to try to control both elevator trim on the throttle rotor and rudder trim on a hat on the stick while trying to press another button on the throttle to get the overhead view ....

What about "flying the ball" as it relates to rudder position? Anyone try to keep their ball in the middle?  :joystick:

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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2023, 02:59:37 PM »
I fly with combat trim always off.  I manually trim via 4 way thumb switches on fighter stick, so hands always stay on throttle/stick.
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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2023, 03:10:41 PM »
Howdy Kermit

Do you trim all three?

Can you trim to fly hands off?

Do you mess with it during combat or just getting to it?

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Re: Trimming your aircraft
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2023, 03:22:26 PM »
I rarely use CT other than to do a quick reset. I have all trims mapped to my hotas so I can get to them easy. I've found that CT, at least for the 38s, is a bit off at the upper and lower ends of the speed range. I find it corrects too much nose high when at low speeds and you end up pushing the stick to turn. Really counterintuitive. Conversely, at high speed it corrects too much nose low exasperating the nose tuck/lawn dart effect. That right there is the best reason to have CT and elevator trim mapped in the 38! The recovery flap on the L helps but you have to deploy it before you're stuck riding it down!

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