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Offline Zacherof

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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #615 on: March 09, 2024, 09:46:42 AM »
The up/down elevator trim (or any variation of such) has no practical effect on climbing.

I try to always mask my E-state by flying indirect angles at the merge.

You likely know these things, but I'll iterate over them briefly so that the answer makes a bit more sense.

1) The most important aspect in a fight is the merge. The merge dictates the tactics you'll use in the fight.
2) Therefore, energy state is the most important practical factor that you can control.
3) The second most practical factor is the aircraft you're flying; but, once the fight has begun, you can't change this. This simply dictates the set(s) of tactics you have at your disposal.

If you're flying dissimilar aircraft, then the energy state isn't about airspeed at the merge, because your aircraft will bleed speed differently; therefore, energy state is about your airspeed and how you manage it when when you or opponent obtains (or could obtain) a guns solution.


That latter part is always something I throw out the window
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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #616 on: March 09, 2024, 09:56:57 AM »
The up/down elevator trim (or any variation of such) has no practical effect on climbing

I don't think this is entirely accurate...

If you manual trim elevator excessively either up or down you will not be able to climb as you will with trim properly set

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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #617 on: March 09, 2024, 11:08:49 AM »
I don't think this is entirely accurate...

If you manual trim elevator excessively either up or down you will not be able to climb as you will with trim properly set

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There are no trim tabs in AH. Trim simply sets the control surface to a set default deflection, so setting it up or down doesn't give you more travel or better performance.
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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #618 on: March 09, 2024, 11:52:20 AM »
There are no trim tabs in AH. Trim simply sets the control surface to a set default deflection, so setting it up or down doesn't give you more travel or better performance.

Skyyr you fly the La7 quite a bit and I can't help notice how smooth your flight path is no matter where the nose is pointed. I find the wing slats, when deployed, create annoying nose bounce. Hoe do you compensate for that?

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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #619 on: March 09, 2024, 12:12:50 PM »
There are no trim tabs in AH. Trim simply sets the control surface to a set default deflection, so setting it up or down doesn't give you more travel or better performance.

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So when I trim all the way up and I get around much faster than if I didn't,  this is all imagined?

I lose speed like crazy but I  turn much quicker

How is that happening if it's not the trim adjustment?

If it doesn't matter why is your ct usually off in your videos?

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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #620 on: March 09, 2024, 12:36:25 PM »
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So when I trim all the way up and I get around much faster than if I didn't,  this is all imagined?


Yes. Go into a flat turn at a sustained max rate. Now trim up. Relax the stick. Nothing changes. Perhaps there's some mechanic that allows a quicker input time, but I've never needed nor used that.


I lose speed like crazy but I  turn much quicker

How is that happening if it's not the trim adjustment?

Then you weren't pulling max deflection before.


If it doesn't matter why is your ct usually off in your videos?


Personal preference. I always have the aircraft in trim for my flight profile. AH trim only works in straight and level flight with an undamaged aircraft. Manual trim lets me get it correct.
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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #621 on: March 09, 2024, 01:10:30 PM »
I think about getting back into it all the time. I think next week when I’m back home I’ll hop on. I’ll be sure to find ya. I miss the back and forth fights we had back in the day.

I agree.  You need to come back.
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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #622 on: March 09, 2024, 05:14:48 PM »
Skyyr you fly the La7 quite a bit and I can't help notice how smooth your flight path is no matter where the nose is pointed. I find the wing slats, when deployed, create annoying nose bounce. Hoe do you compensate for that?

The slats come out when airflow over the wing drops below a certain threshold. This mostly occurs at low speed or high angles of attack. Slow, consistent inputs prevent the slats from erratically deploying during maneuvering and it makes their deployment much more predictable.

Put another way, be gentle on the stick and avoid abrupt, high AoA maneuvers / bleeding airspeed if possible.
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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #623 on: March 10, 2024, 04:52:23 PM »
The slats come out when airflow over the wing drops below a certain threshold. This mostly occurs at low speed or high angles of attack. Slow, consistent inputs prevent the slats from erratically deploying during maneuvering and it makes their deployment much more predictable.

Put another way, be gentle on the stick and avoid abrupt, high AoA maneuvers / bleeding airspeed if possible.

Thanks for the feedback. Would you mind sharing your recommendations on aileron/elevator scaling, damping & deadband?  :salute

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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #624 on: March 10, 2024, 04:59:03 PM »

Personal preference. I always have the aircraft in trim for my flight profile. AH trim only works in straight and level flight with an undamaged aircraft. Manual trim lets me get it correct.

Would you please elaborate on this...i.e. AH trim vs manual trim? I have rudder & elevator trim set to one of the 4-way hats on a CH throttle. Is it best to turn off combat trim before inputting trim?

Appreciate it  :rock

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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #625 on: March 10, 2024, 06:44:26 PM »
Thanks for the feedback. Would you mind sharing your recommendations on aileron/elevator scaling, damping & deadband?  :salute

Scaling is off/disabled except the rudder (because I use a twisty stick). If I use pedals, they're unscaled. Damping and deadband are defaults.
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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #626 on: March 10, 2024, 06:45:40 PM »
Would you please elaborate on this...i.e. AH trim vs manual trim? I have rudder & elevator trim set to one of the 4-way hats on a CH throttle. Is it best to turn off combat trim before inputting trim?

Appreciate it  :rock

There's no point in using manual trim if you have combat trim enabled. I use combat trim to quickly "zero" an approximation of where trim should be, then I turn it off and manually adjust it. I have all 3 axes of trim mapped to my hatswitch.
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nrshida: "I almost beat Skyyr after he took a 6 year break!"
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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #627 on: March 11, 2024, 04:35:26 AM »
Would you please elaborate on this...i.e. AH trim vs manual trim? I have rudder & elevator trim set to one of the 4-way hats on a CH throttle. Is it best to turn off combat trim before inputting trim?

Appreciate it  :rock

optimal trim ( especially rudder ) will change during the flight depending on maneuver/engine power/angles etc.
If you hit "auto trim", it will take second or two, level your wings, generally unadvisable in combat.
hitting CT on and off gives you perfectly trimmed aircraft right away, no matter what position you're in.

I guess there is an argument to be made for having a macro toggle it on and off every couple seconds, though it feels "gamey"....



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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #628 on: March 11, 2024, 08:22:56 AM »
Any manual trim input turns ct off automatically

My improperly trimmed plane cannot climb with one that is

Skyyr is unique as the majority of the time he can outclimb his opponents...most with ease, while some barely then his uncanny accuracy usually finishes the encounter within a shot or two

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Re: Skyyr
« Reply #629 on: March 11, 2024, 09:20:46 AM »
Any manual trim input turns ct off automatically

My improperly trimmed plane cannot climb with one that is

Skyyr is unique as the majority of the time he can outclimb his opponents...most with ease, while some barely then his uncanny accuracy usually finishes the encounter within a shot or two

Eagler

TheJudge mimics Skyyr's unfettered climbing ability as well as his deadly hit %.....and rightfully so I suppose as he (Judge) was schooled by Skyyr as I recall.