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« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2023, 09:44:56 AM »
What the bills say, and what some news articles say the bills say, are different.  For example, in Florida, it is prohibited to teach that:

"1. Members of one race, color, sex, or national origin are morally superior to members of another race, color, sex, or national origin.
2. An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously."

And so on.

Teaching about racism, sexism, etc. being bad and about their history are allowed and a standard part of curricula.

Some books banned in Burbank, California in 2020:
To Kill a Mockingbird
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
Of Mice and Men
The Cay
Roll of Thunder, Hear me Cry
https://www.newsweek.com/kill-mockingbird-other-books-banned-california-schools-over-racism-concerns-1547241

We aren't talking about adults here.  They get to read whatever.  We are talking about what is in the kid's library at local school.

Parents in different communities have different opinions on what they do and don't want their kids to read.  That's OK.  It is up to them how their kids are brought up and what they read.  If one community wants Huck Finn in the library.  OK.  If another doesn't want it.  OK.

If a parent wants his kid to read a book that isn't in the school library, the parent can get it from the public library, buy it from Amazon, buy it from the used-book store.  There are lots of books I want my kids to read that aren't in the school's library.  So, I get them for my kids.  No biggie.

With you a Conservative, and me a self admitted woke Liberal, we could debate these topics incessantly. It likely explains the why the national divide is not only intellectual, it has also become geographic.

But you chose to mention one Florida Law while I would refer you to Florida Senator Manny Diaz's SB148.

You clearly would have parents control the complete content and curriculum of their child's education, while I believe that a child's academic education is far too important to be left in the hands of the parents.

So do we anything to discuss? I think not. But I suspect the perceived dangers of Liberal ideas might lead to quite a thread. :lol
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Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2023, 09:46:18 AM »
Best one I've seen lately was: "Gays for Palestine" I wonder how their visit to Gaza would go...

They would be beheaded.
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Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2023, 10:18:12 AM »

call bs on your statement.


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« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2023, 11:23:56 AM »
Interesting thread and quite frankly I am surprised it is still open. The old heads here already know me pretty well. The newer folks might not.

Regarding the content here, there have been some claims that are not based in fact and others that are. Yes Florida and other places have become alarmed regarding some books and other "content" that have shown up in elementary schools. Having looked at a couple of the books, the ones depicting or describing in full detail sexual activities would qualify for prosecution under the pornography laws of pretty much all states, when dealing with minors. Especially minors under the age of 10 to 12. Think "adult" books / video stores. They fall under the pornography laws and minors are not allowed to enter.

There are laws prohibiting taking minors to live sex shows, of either gender, yet trans people (seemingly all biological males) are encouraged and allowed to perform their adult acts in more than a couple elementary schools. I can state that there are prohibitions in taking a minor child to a strip show where female performers are required to wear pasties and a thong at a minimum much less a biological male exposing genitalia. Few seem to take umbrage at that limitation.

I don't give a flying fart in a high wind if a person is gay. I don't care who they have sex with as long as it is with an adult age / competent person. I don't care if they get married. If they pass the background investigation, I don't care if they adopt as long as they raise that child and never abuse the parental obligations / requirements.

What I do care about is that they leave me and mine along and I will give them the same respect. I do not push my hetero behaviors and practices upon them and demand they do the same for me.

I object to explicit sexual material, of any kind, in an elementary classroom through HS. Once the kid is of adult age they are welcome to indulge in whatever material they desire and enjoy all adult rights and obligations. That includes making a decision over things like tattoos and gender surgery. IMO making a permanent surgical procedure on a child under 18 is both medically and morally unethical. Also IMO that should be grounds for severing parental rights. Should a minor child obtain court approval for emancipation and be legally considered an adult I do not care what choices they make in their life regarding gender and sexual activities.

Legally a child is considered incapable of making adult decisions on their own and that has been a standard that has been in practice for quite a long time.

I have not seen examples of "trans genocide" in the news nor heard of it from acquaintances. Same for anti gay violence as has been alleged by "activists". There has been a school shooting by a trans person.
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Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2023, 12:20:18 PM »
More than one..

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Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2023, 03:51:46 PM »
You might want to review your home state laws. Legislation passed in Georgia, Florida, and Mississippi in 2022 regulates how the teachers can discuss racism, sexism, and issues of systemic inequality in the classroom. And no, I won't look up the actual bill numbers for you... get in the game.

Some specific books banned in Florida Texas and some other southern states: The Handmaid's Tale; Flamer; Crank; A Court of Mist and Fury... I could go on but there were 874 book titles banned between July 1,2022 and December 1,2022 and I just suck at typing fast. Further, let's be clear, I don't want to see any particular title added to a school curriculum but I will never support banning of books based on the valuation of politicians.

The AP AA studies class was rejected because the course is nothing more than another Leftist attempt to implement their woke agenda into our public schools.  And no, I will not look up all of the examples within the course for you ... get in the game.   

A few books that I'm sure you and semp would like to see back on the shelves of our elementary school libraries.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/have-you-looked-inside-any-of-these-books
 
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Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2023, 04:30:27 PM »
It likely explains the why the national divide is not only intellectual, it has also become geographic.

True. Being able to vote with your feet is an effective form of voting.  It also gives people places where they can do things the way they think is best.  And it leads to more rapid advancement in policy, since you get to see if it works better in this state with this policy or that state with that policy.

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You clearly would have parents control the complete content and curriculum of their child's education, while I believe that a child's academic education is far too important to be left in the hands of the parents.

Not entirely.

Let's break what kids are taught into: (1) math, science, reading, writing, history,  without promotion of a particular ideology, and (2) values (i.e., a particular ideology is promoted as the correct one).

Both left and right are fine with schools delivering (1).

But the left wants schools also to deliver and to control (2), whereas the right wants schools to stay out of (2) and for parents to control (2).

I think it likely that, if educators share a group's ideology, that group tends to want schools in charge of it and to promote it; and if educators do not share a group's ideology, that group tends to want schools staying out of it, and parents in charge of it.  If ultraconservatives dominated education, I think it likely that liberals would want educators staying out of promoting an ideology.

I think of ideology as the same as religion.  Religion is an ideology.  We have no problem teaching things (including history of conflicts involving religion) without pushing a religion.  We can do the same and keep ideology out of it.

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So do we anything to discuss? I think not. But I suspect the perceived dangers of Liberal ideas might lead to quite a thread. :lol

Neither of us will convince the other to change his ideology.  However, I think it is fun and interesting to discuss things with people who don't share my views.

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Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2023, 04:47:11 PM »
To Rush and to Brooke with respect, I would prefer to agree to disagree. Happy Holidays Gents.  :)
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Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2023, 05:08:48 PM »
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Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2023, 05:45:45 PM »
Wasn't it a transgender person with XX chromosomes that thought they had XY chromosomes?

My 5 year old knows the difference between XX and XY chromosomes. Seems there's many adults how don't.

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« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2023, 08:17:34 PM »
Wasn't it a transgender person with XX chromosomes that thought they had XY chromosomes?

My 5 year old knows the difference between XX and XY chromosomes. Seems there's many adults how don't.


well if you dont include the exceptions.  xx and xy are the prevalent but not exactly the only ones. so no your kid doesnt know the complete story.


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Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2023, 08:43:32 PM »
To Rush and to Brooke with respect, I would prefer to agree to disagree. Happy Holidays Gents.  :)

Roger that, Busher.

Thanks for the discussion, and happy holidays to you and your family as well.  :aok

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« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2023, 09:18:47 PM »
xx and xy are the prevalent but not exactly the only ones.

99.9+% of humans have xx or xy.

There are lots of rare birth defects:  born without limbs, born without a nose, etc.

Do crows have wings?  Is the correct answer that a kid should give "Not always. While 99.96% of crows are born with wings, there are 0.04% of crows born without wings."?

Can you imagine how insufferable it would be for a person to go through life answering every question that way?

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« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2023, 10:21:22 PM »
99.9+% of humans have xx or xy.

There are lots of rare birth defects:  born without limbs, born without a nose, etc.

Do crows have wings?  Is the correct answer that a kid should give "Not always. While 99.96% of crows are born with wings, there are 0.04% of crows born without wings."?

Can you imagine how insufferable it would be for a person to go through life answering every question that way?

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Re: Disney Dipping Their Toes Into The Golden Era…
« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2023, 12:23:47 AM »

well if you dont include the exceptions.  xx and xy are the prevalent but not exactly the only ones. so no your kid doesnt know the complete story.


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So what exactly do I have to tell my kid so they have the "complete story"? That there's a .00001 chance that you could be something else? What would that be? an xxy or a xyz or? Please enlighten my dumb self cause I know liberals are, er think they are much smarter then everybody else.
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