The integrity of the game and players is lost

[LCADolby]

BluBerry got banned for enabling and using the LCGS in the Main Arenas.

Just to clear this statement up;
I spoke to blu about it years ago when he flew with me, I most certainly didn't want a cheat in my squad and had my questions. His original account got banned because he was just testing out what could be done with the thing (Cheat Program) and then deleted it, all so he could use his experience to detect who was using it in the MA.
When he came back as bluberry he wasn't using anything when he got re-banned. I liked blu, he was one of the good guys, it was quite the loss to AH when Skuzzy decided to pull the ban handle on him that second time, he was a very positive personality. However, like a few, he was vocal about the 12 hour side switch timer, and I'm sure it was more so that which put the target on his back.

[GasTeddy]

Defending repugnant and abusive behavior is baffling. 

Fore some, it is natural behavior and of course they defend their brothers in harms. There is a diagnose for that, but I don't mention it as that would hurt those mentioned ones.

[1stpar3]

Another Skyyr post 

Violator, I love you, bro.  We've grown up together in this game.  I understand your frustration, I do, but posts like this aren't going to help.  Take a step back and look at what this game has provided us, and continues to provide us, and do not let one player determine your fun.  Take this from someone that doesn't have a dog in the fight. 

I hope you stick around.

And folk wonder why I am happy when ever you shoot me down? The "ROLE REVERSAL". Spit on Pony redux!    I may, or may not, had been talking about our run up against     a Banshee in last scenario     I knew it was you(in role reversal), thus my talking about scenario....?   I am flying with SicPuppies...while trying to keep The BW Squad alive....they get me and let me on their channel.   "BW? Same Banshee? Its love...Praise to Braised"..they were laughing their tulips of!   Skyyr was just as much a Role Model as Violator was, in my experience/coming up in AH. This stuff hurts me. I REFUSE to take sides! We ALL get frustrated, from time to times...I just can't wrap my head around the animosity. I know for a fact, if Violator watched his film and let go of bias(if that is right word), he might just learn something? On other hand, Skyyr's trolling doesn't help the situation either. I have never had that issue with him. Then again, I don't mouth off to him?   Skyyr is #2 in my book. Book being "ACM" examples.  Requiem(of Air Combat Tutorials), then Skyyr, then Growling Sidewinder...Violator is a super close #3 to GS(CO BWDelta had films of training with Violator back in 2014). Lift Vector, Energy Uses, 1 circle vs 2 Circle, Corner speeds...and on.  The #2 and Violator may not explain what they are doing in their videos...but combined with the tutorials...priceless demonstrations. Also...if EVER I had a WTF, how did I mess that up question...answered promptly 

[RotBaron]

You just mad, bro.

Indeed.

A day will come when you log into the game or here and you’ll see a message that says the doors are closing; no more MA, no more FSO, no MNM, scenarios, TNTW, WWI arena… Just a thank you for all the great memories. 

I don’t want to see that any sooner due to egomaniacs destruction of HT’s and countless others hard work. There is no natural replacement for AH, period.

Laugh all you want, berate others endlessly, chest thump with every kill “get better”, “you suck” “imagine being so bad…” Those are his daily contributions to the game. It’s toxic and mean spirited. That vitriol soils the soul.

Build, don’t destroy, it’s that simple. All he’d have to do is either type 90% less or actually find some gratitude deep down for the blessing of being able to interact with a lot of great ppl.

I like the idea of being able to still be here 5yrs from now, do we (collectively) enough to change?

[1stpar3]

NO CHIT!

I wish these guys would get over themselves so the game and forum can proceed.

I don’t have anything against any of them. But for cod sakes grow the F up. “AH is not about you.”

No one is a superhero, I can kill every one of them and have. I bet I just sucked myself into slit skirt drama.

Pretty much! Love ya, Brother         ps: Haven't come across you lately?  Still playing?  HeHeHe  I am still in my Spitteen....eye poker outer          Love ya, Brother

[DmonSlyr]

And folk wonder why I am happy when ever you shoot me down? The "ROLE REVERSAL". Spit on Pony redux!    I may, or may not, had been talking about our run up against     a Banshee in last scenario     I knew it was you(in role reversal), thus my talking about scenario....?   I am flying with SicPuppies...while trying to keep The BW Squad alive....they get me and let me on their channel.   "BW? Same Banshee? Its love...Praise to Braised"..they were laughing their tulips of!   Skyyr was just as much a Role Model as Violator was, in my experience/coming up in AH. This stuff hurts me. I REFUSE to take sides! We ALL get frustrated, from time to times...I just can't wrap my head around the animosity. I know for a fact, if Violator watched his film and let go of bias(if that is right word), he might just learn something? On other hand, Skyyr's trolling doesn't help the situation either. I have never had that issue with him. Then again, I don't mouth off to him?   Skyyr is #2 in my book. Book being "ACM" examples.  Requiem(of Air Combat Tutorials), then Skyyr, then Growling Sidewinder...Violator is a super close #3 to GS(CO BWDelta had films of training with Violator back in 2014). Lift Vector, Energy Uses, 1 circle vs 2 Circle, Corner speeds...and on.  The #2 and Violator may not explain what they are doing in their videos...but combined with the tutorials...priceless demonstrations. Also...if EVER I had a WTF, how did I mess that up question...answered promptly 

By "learn something" does that mean I watch skyyr get a kill, switch to the side he's fighting and roll a Temp EVERY SINGLE SORTIE HE FLIES TO GO AFTER HIM". AND THEN USE MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS TO SWITCH TO ANY FRONT HES AT WITHIN  MINUTES? SORRY BUT IM NOT A SOCIOPATH LIKE HE IS. He's already setting up an advantage against me. How do you defend this bull crap man?

I mouth off to him because I know what he's doing is cheap and petty inside a video game that can be gamed like this.

It's not fun for me, it's not fun for the other players he does this to. I will continue to call out this poor spirited and obsessive behavior until hitech gives me a response as to how this is acceptable gameplay.

[Professor_Fate]

[DmonSlyr]

So watching him do this multiple times every time I fly for 30 minutes to switch and come directly at me every single time I fly makes me paranoid? I have about 8 examples now and I only play about 10 hours a month. Sounds like you don't know what a pattern of behavior is.

[Gman]

Respectfully dudes you just make yourselves a bigger target, the game is a shell and flight sims overall are niche, and good players in this genre are even more rare. You already realize the time here is limited, maybe in a few years there won't be an enjoyable flight sim to play at all, you never know. So the way I see it there are a few options: get better and beat them, assume for a moment nobody is out to get you and be friendly with the other rare good players in this genre, or move onto another game.

Skyyr and myself had animosity in the past, but recently I came back to the game for a few days after watching his stream. We even did some 1v1s and I can tell you he is not cheating, do you see either of us posting videos or bragging about score? Anyways if you guys want to live out your final flying days here in a rage, that is your choice.. I certainly moved on from that negativity a long time ago and hope others will too.

I feel precisely the same way now. 

[DmonSlyr]

I feel precisely the same way now.

So you think what skyyr is doing is acceptable gameplay Gman?

[Gman]

I should have been specific, I agree with Krup regarding the "old feelings" part, as well as his observation that Skyyr isn't cheating.  I've watched all of his streams/vids, and he's not.  He's just a very, very good shot, combined with excellent SA, energy management, etc. 

I would say "no", IF HTC had specific rules regarding targeting a single individual over and over - but I don't see how anyone could regulate such a thing.  What with the auto switch feature being what it is, it's easy to see why squads would have multiple accounts, in order to not be split up by the auto-side switch thing.  There are no rules, nor should there be IMO, about using intelligence, common sense, deduction, whatever, to figure out where individual opponents are. 

Now if HTC were to eliminate the auto balance/switch feature, and say in the TOS that players shall have but one single account, and not engage in using multiple accounts in order to gain information about the other teams and opponents, I think you would have a valid complaint Violator.

As of now, despite how PO'd you are, I don't think HTC is going to make a decision in your favor.

Why don't you just fight back when Skyyr comes looking for you?  I'm coming back myself shortly, and I HOPE Skyyr targets me, as I want to improve rapidly once I shake the rust off, and you can't learn unless you lose.  If a few of us got together and fought against Skyyr's squad, it'd be a lot of fun I think, something approaching the "good old days" of AH circa blue/orange servers time period. 

Violator - would you care if a new player decided he didn't like you and wanted to just target you, and did so, yet you killed him every time you both clashed?  Think about that for a second - what is it that really is making you upset at Skyyr?


Look, I'm not defending Skyyr, hell it was me who was largely responsible for getting him banned in the first place (I regretted that, and sent in umpteen PMs to HTC/Skuzzy in an attempt to undo what I did, in order to get Skyyr unbanned), but IMO the game needs players like him, no matter how much his ego, attitude, ch 200, whatever might grate on some people.  He's not cheating, and not breaking any rules so far as I can tell. 

One thing Krupinski is 100% correct about is that online flight sims like this are a very delicate and precious thing.  DCS is rumored to have $$$ problems right now, and one of their largest subcontractors Razbam is on "strike" due to not being paid in 9 months.  We could easily  be stuck with Warthunder/etc as our only choice someday in the not distant future. 

edit - a big reason why Bluberry got banned (IIRC it was at least a major contributing factor) was that subforum he had going in the squad area.  It was actually hilarious, and a lot of fun posting in there for a while, but I can see how HTC lost their sense of humor over it.  Him using some sort of cheat in the game is news to me, and unless HT says it happened...

[hazmatt]

Just to clear this statement up;
I spoke to blu about it years ago when he flew with me, I most certainly didn't want a cheat in my squad and had my questions. His original account got banned because he was just testing out what could be done with the thing (Cheat Program) and then deleted it, all so he could use his experience to detect who was using it in the MA.
When he came back as bluberry he wasn't using anything when he got re-banned. I liked blu, he was one of the good guys, it was quite the loss to AH when Skuzzy decided to pull the ban handle on him that second time, he was a very positive personality. However, like a few, he was vocal about the 12 hour side switch timer, and I'm sure it was more so that which put the target on his back.

Aye that sux to hear he was a good guy and got perm ban. Maybe if Skyyr got a pardon maybe Blu could get one too?


I've heard from others that got a hold of what sounds like the same program and described some of the options that it could inject that seem like they would be hard to detect if they were subtle about their usage. Things like fuel load weight to 0 would be hard to detect as well as if you cranked up the lethality of  your weapons. People would chalk such things up to better E management or a lucky shot. What I find fascinating is this info was from 10 years ago. I'd bet there's a version 2.0 by now lol.

In WW2 online there as a video posted on youtube of an ESP hack. It was pretty advanced. It showed red squares and lines from  your location to the enemy. It would also auto fire when your weapon crossed the enemy in a way that would hit them. What I found interesting was how CRS handled it. Instead of admitting that it existed and working on some anti-cheat they contacted the poster of the video and asked him to password protect the video so they could bury it's existence.

The funniest thing about the WW2 online guys is the ones who's game play is suspect are the ones who are always accusing others of cheating. LOL

Maybe we can start a petition for a pardon for Blue?

[hazmatt]

My being paranoid doesn't mean there isn't somebody who is out to get me!

[Banshee7]

I should have been specific, I agree with Krup regarding the "old feelings" part, as well as his observation that Skyyr isn't cheating.  I've watched all of his streams/vids, and he's not.  He's just a very, very good shot, combined with excellent SA, energy management, etc. 

I would say "no", IF HTC had specific rules regarding targeting a single individual over and over - but I don't see how anyone could regulate such a thing.  What with the auto switch feature being what it is, it's easy to see why squads would have multiple accounts, in order to not be split up by the auto-side switch thing.  There are no rules, nor should there be IMO, about using intelligence, common sense, deduction, whatever, to figure out where individual opponents are. 

Now if HTC were to eliminate the auto balance/switch feature, and say in the TOS that players shall have but one single account, and not engage in using multiple accounts in order to gain information about the other teams and opponents, I think you would have a valid complaint Violator.

As of now, despite how PO'd you are, I don't think HTC is going to make a decision in your favor.

Why don't you just fight back when Skyyr comes looking for you?  I'm coming back myself shortly, and I HOPE Skyyr targets me, as I want to improve rapidly once I shake the rust off, and you can't learn unless you lose.  If a few of us got together and fought against Skyyr's squad, it'd be a lot of fun I think, something approaching the "good old days" of AH circa blue/orange servers time period. 

Violator - would you care if a new player decided he didn't like you and wanted to just target you, and did so, yet you killed him every time you both clashed?  Think about that for a second - what is it that really is making you upset at Skyyr?


Look, I'm not defending Skyyr, hell it was me who was largely responsible for getting him banned in the first place (I regretted that, and sent in umpteen PMs to HTC/Skuzzy in an attempt to undo what I did, in order to get Skyyr unbanned), but IMO the game needs players like him, no matter how much his ego, attitude, ch 200, whatever might grate on some people.  He's not cheating, and not breaking any rules so far as I can tell. 

One thing Krupinski is 100% correct about is that online flight sims like this are a very delicate and precious thing.  DCS is rumored to have $$$ problems right now, and one of their largest subcontractors Razbam is on "strike" due to not being paid in 9 months.  We could easily  be stuck with Warthunder/etc as our only choice someday in the not distant future. 

edit - a big reason why Bluberry got banned (IIRC it was at least a major contributing factor) was that subforum he had going in the squad area.  It was actually hilarious, and a lot of fun posting in there for a while, but I can see how HTC lost their sense of humor over it.  Him using some sort of cheat in the game is news to me, and unless HT says it happened...

This post makes a lot of sense. 

In the end, I have a lot of friends in here, and I want everyone to get along and enjoy this game while it lasts.  While I believe that is a utopian idea, I think the atmosphere would be a lot better if players took things a little less personally.  Sure, I get mad and rant on 200, accusing players of crappy gameplay and whatnot, but I usually get over it pretty fast because I don't let another person's actions determine my happiness.

[Vraciu]

Especially over a sea or their own base, sure. Chutekillers are crybabies. "Mee vont moo kill mee vont moo kill".


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I love how a chute explodes 💥 when you shoot it.  My favorite part of the game next to watching you cry about it.