Already 5 votes....

[DmonSlyr]

To have HTC change the radar system back to a system that isn't so gamey.

Can we continue to vote on this forum? I realize it's only like 20 people here now, but maybe, just maybe we will get something to change from this gameyness arcade radar that has taken a lot of strategy away from the MMO concept of the game.



https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,409457.30.html

[CAV]

Yes, remove the arcade radar.

CAV

[Lazerr]

I have to agree.

[Skyyr]

I'll vote to remove it as well, but be warned: the vast majority of players will suffer from it. If you think action is sparse and bad now, then... lol.

[Banshee7]

I'll vote to remove it as well, but be warned: the vast majority of players will suffer from it. If you think action is sparse and bad now, then... lol.

Imagine the poor guys that only up to shoot down bombers for fighter score lol.

I'll add my vote, too.  At least the proximity dar.

[Oldman731]

I'll vote to remove it as well, but be warned: the vast majority of players will suffer from it. If you think action is sparse and bad now, then... lol.

Agreed.  If we were back in the days of hundreds of people online simultaneously, removing the current radar wouldn't present much of a problem.  That's no longer true.  Finding a fight will be more difficult if the radar is changed.

I don't fly nearly as much as I used to, so I won't vote on the issue now.  But based on my recent flight time, I'm still wondering why this is such an issue.

- oldman

[Animl-AW]

I think success in the change depends how and where the change has to happen. If it takes digging into coding the mileage will vary. It seems HT is not up for digging into coding to make changes. Will re-coding it introduce bugs that require digging back in.

Going back could solve some antics/issues I won’t mention.

Why it was put in places makes as much sense as reverting it back.

These kind of changes can effect the game both positive and negative.

Seems the common stance is to revert back.

Personally, I’d prefer it be reverted.

I wonder what control CMs have in changing it in a custom arena to try out, OR, if its an easy switch, try it for one week.

Its a big change that requires deep consideration.

[Gooss]

I like the radar as is.  Nothing like getting jumped by four red guys without warning.

[Animl-AW]

Not sure why the thread is split. But someone mentioned there are no new players. This is not totally true. I was helping a new player the other day. I've seen new player names.

Dar is an issue.

But there may be bigger fish to fry. Like not chasing players out through ch. 200 humiliation that they are perceived to be not good enough, or a lower skill level than the ranter point monger. Some are embarrassing some players right out of the game, yet I don't know what they gain from it,.. except less targets. Dar is not doing that.

It's a catch 22 situation, damned if you do, damned if you don't. <shrug>

[LilMak]

The only people who can’t find a fight would be those that don’t understand or forgot how darbar works.  Refresh rates can be adjusted in arena settings so it can be more effective for finding fights without giving exact positions. As I remember it (been a while since I hosted an arena) the radar is a setting (not code) it’s constantly adjusted for FSO and scenarios. I don’t think it would take much effort to adjust. And, if it kills the fights, it can always be reversed.

For the record, no one wants to eliminate radar. Just eliminate that every plane and tank is an awacs which is gamey as heck.

[Spikes]

I don't necessarily mind the radar but would prefer it only show on the map if you have line of sight on the enemy. Eg. you need to be able to see them (not under you, etc) but understand that likely isn't possible code-wise, so would prefer to go back to the old way all together.

[popeye]

I'll vote to remove it as well, but be warned: the vast majority of players will suffer from it. If you think action is sparse and bad now, then... lol.

This.

Be careful what you wish for.  The current dar setup has been in effect for years.  So, the current player base either prefers it or tolerates it.  Out of the 700 or 800 current players, there are a dozen here asking for a change.  If you were HT, what would you do?

On the other hand, increasing the dar update interval is simple and wouldn't be a drastic change that might chase players away.  Not exactly what is asked for here, but it would reduce the usefulness of proximity dar as a substitute for SA while still helping find fights.

[LilMak]

This.

Be careful what you wish for.  The current dar setup has been in effect for years.  So, the current player base either prefers it or tolerates it.  Out of the 700 or 800 current players, there are a dozen here asking for a change.  If you were HT, what would you do?

On the other hand, increasing the dar update interval is simple and wouldn't be a drastic change that might chase players away.  Not exactly what is asked for here, but it would reduce the usefulness of proximity dar as a substitute for SA while still helping find fights.

HT changed it without any input from the player base. It just appeared one day. No one asked for it. It wasn’t needed and it’s had adverse effects on game play.

[DmonSlyr]

Well it was either this way or the old way. No, "Other" selection. So everyone clicked it because they didn't necessarily like the old way either. The only issue IMO was that it was too easy to destroy, and thus you'd never see any dots inside the rings.

If I were hitech, I'd have polls in the game with questions about common issues, and see how they work out. Only thing is I'd add a comment box to allow people to write next to the response. 

Proximity dar should not work outside radar rings. That is the first thing I'd change. Bombers should have some leeway. 

Also, seeing a bunch of dots my disuede players from rolling too. You see 8 planes coming toward your field, you may not roll, you see a decent size dar, but unsure of amount of planes, you may roll.

All I'm saying is there should be some fog of war as this game is not basic match play scenario

[Skyyr]

Well it was either this way or the old way. No, "Other" selection. So everyone clicked it because they didn't necessarily like the old way either. The only issue IMO was that it was too easy to destroy, and thus you'd never see any dots inside the rings.

If I were hitech, I'd have polls in the game with questions about common issues, and see how they work out. Only thing is I'd add a comment box to allow people to write next to the response. 

Proximity dar should not work outside radar rings. That is the first thing I'd change. Bombers should have some leeway. 

Also, seeing a bunch of dots my disuede players from rolling too. You see 8 planes coming toward your field, you may not roll, you see a decent size dar, but unsure of amount of planes, you may roll.

All I'm saying is there should be some fog of war as this game is not basic match play scenario

Wait I thought you quit like 2 months ago brah.