In case there was any confusion…

[Eagler]

Find it strange to think that some think that you should be able to fly nose to nose and not expect a shot at you..

I usually find if I don't take a shot, they do..

And if I  do and sometimes even if they'd do too I  get a hoing whine..

Wasn't it a valid shot in ww2?

Why the whine here?

If you don't want to ho you just have to try to avoid it as described above

If you're in a more agile plane or have the numbers please expect any shot from any angle from me...especially if I have gondolas slowing me down ...except in MNM 

Eagler

[LilMak]

I don’t think HO in and of itself is the main issue so much as HOing and extending repeatedly. The HO shot is generally pretty easy to avoid but it gets really stale to just continually avoid repeated attempts because an adversary lacks or chooses not to use any other tools. What usually happens to me is I end up in a never ending logic loop until one of three things happens.

1- I oblige the HO by returning fire out of boredom.
2- I try some maneuver that I know has a low probability of success and usually pay for it.
3- Someone else (friend or foe) comes along and breaks the cycle.

I understand we all want to win engagements (many by any means necessary) but the engagement is actually the fun. Winning is secondary.

I reiterate this all the time…
Ask yourself as you’re playing, “If everyone did this all the time would the game be any fun?” If the answer is “No.” you should probably try and change things up.

[icepac]

Guys used to nose down 2k out like going under you, induce lag, and pull up. 

What you see on your end is a plane passing under you and then you hear bullets after he passed.

[Oldman731]

I understand we all want to win engagements (many by any means necessary) but the engagement is actually the fun. Winning is secondary.

Heartily agree.

- oldman

[Shane]

I reiterate this all the time…
Ask yourself as you’re playing, “If everyone did this all the time would the game be any fun?” If the answer is “No.” you should probably try and change things up.

And yet... here we are.

[Animl-AW]

Guys used to nose down 2k out like going under you, induce lag, and pull up. 

What you see on your end is a plane passing under you and then you hear bullets after he passed.

True. However if you used the nose down shortly to build speed, go under, minimize loss of E at the top of the loop you can regain enough speed on the decent to end up on their 6. Just stay inverted at the top to track him.  Works more often than not. Forget what the maneuver is called. Been using it a long time.

What I don’t care for in these HOs is players actually flipping around to take it. Its deliberate. I remember a few who every kill they got on me was HOs over and over.

Its a players choice to engage or  pull out of the nose to nose.

Main point, HOs are over-used IMO. <shrug>

[oTRALFZo]

I will HO any jet or bomber without mercy or remorse.
Sorry thats just me

[Animl-AW]

I will HO any jet or bomber without mercy or remorse.
Sorry thats just me

HA! totally get that one.

[MDStampf93]

I don’t think HO in and of itself is the main issue so much as HOing and extending repeatedly. The HO shot is generally pretty easy to avoid but it gets really stale to just continually avoid repeated attempts because an adversary lacks or chooses not to use any other tools.

 

[RELIC]

Seems a bit worse now than it was a few years ago.  I think there was a certain player who flew 30 mm birds who would rarely miss and pretty much thrived on front quarter/HO shots.  Not sure if that has had an effect but here we are.  Could simply be this is a new players best chance at killing someone.
I always assume there will be an HO.  I used to try and avoid them but have been guilty of it too depending on the situation.

[Dadtallica]

And yet... here we are.

You’re all doing it all wrong!

This thread could have been made 25 years ago and nobody would have known the difference!

[diaster]

I’v been sayin since my return it’s #1 ACM with some, epidemic.

Rarely do I not get HO/Ram.  Ya have to maneuver around any nose to nose merge. Nose down build E loop up and over on their 6 as soon as they pass.

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all good and well cept when u are multiple vs you and any deviation opens you up and they all choose to "ho" anyway

[Animl-AW]

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all good and well cept when u are multiple vs you and any deviation opens you up and they all choose to "ho" anyway

Totally get that too. I often end up in 4-5 to 1. Happens more often when its rooks. 5-1 every single one tried HO more than once,… of course I died by. I don’t like fighting rooks because its most rampant there. Its not by chance, they intensionally turn into it. These are not noobs.

I don’t <S> HOs.

[waystin2]

High angle yes!  Head-on no way! It is a death wish with any .50 cal or cannon equipped bird facing you.

[icepac]

Fly a plane with 21cm rockets and shoot HO from D2.5