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Offline ZE

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Brewster Perfomance
« on: October 30, 2024, 05:04:51 PM »
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Today, after I killed a player in MA, he commented on 200 channel that it is hard to believe the Brew can win a fight against the 109 he was flying, suggesting that HT should review this plane's performance in the game.

I also received a similar comment from another player suggesting the Brew in this game is not properly set.

Since this is the only plane I fly, I got my attention to those comments. The attached file, I believe shows that in this fight he lost speed and altitude when chasing a bomber and I was able to jumped behind him with more speed and hit him. I don't see why those comments again about the Brew - being the slow fighter in the game - and wonder if the HT Brew model is similar to the Finns Brewster B-239E and has the correct aeronautic behavior?

PD: How to attach a Film.ahf file ?

https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,404990.45.html

« Last Edit: October 30, 2024, 05:17:38 PM by ZE »

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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2024, 05:20:53 PM »
You are fine ZE. He is just whining. You got that brew really well when it comes to maintaining E.
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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2024, 05:29:38 PM »
I love when ayers say things like a plane not properly set. Because they n er flew it to know either way.

First time you killed me in a Brew it was a lil shocking, but then  “this guy has some nads to even fight with it” second time I realized he’s one with that AC., Best brew pilot I’ve seen.

Whats funny is it catches most off guard and think its gonna be a effortless kill, then POW NiteNite

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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2024, 05:39:48 PM »
You destroy my 109 all the time ZE

Your fights are always good ones sir

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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2024, 06:24:37 PM »
I'm more worried about Brewsters durability in it's Finnish reincarnation, where they removed essential protection.
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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2024, 07:58:40 PM »
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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2024, 09:00:42 PM »
Since this is the only plane I fly, I got my attention to those comments.

Hi ZE

Questions of aircraft performance often peak my interest.  In most cases the AH Film is not forthcoming resulting in much unnecessary speculation. However, in this case you have posted a film that includes the action and the resulting comments. Thank you for posting, I enjoyed watching the film.   

I don't see why those comments again about the Brew - being the slow fighter in the game - and wonder if the HT Brew model is similar to the Finns Brewster B-239E and has the correct aeronautic behavior?

In this case I don't think we need to look at the aircraft performance, the answers are not to be found in the aerodynamics, they can be found in the geometry of the fight and the behaviour of the pilots.

Firstly, the 109 pilot in this engagement was partially correct. At one point close to the initial merge, as he passed you, he was 2k higher and 130mph faster. It is easy to see how from his perspective he considered that you weren't really a threat. However, you executed a lead turn and he reacted by turning back into you for a second merge, where he took and missed a high aspect shot. After that he immediately disengaged to chase a low A20G.

However, as he did so he made a number of BFM errors and conceded his initial advantage. He became target fixated. In his mind, you had been dismissed as irrelevant as he focused entirely on the A20. In reality you were on his long six. At this point he was still faster, and and despite the fact he was already in trouble, he could have extended as he claimed should have been possible.

It was then that the A20G executed a break turn and reversed back towards you. The 109 pilot was lost in the moment so when the A20G pulled into the vertical he followed him up and came out on a different heading, where you had already closed the distance and were able to get into guns range by cutting the corner to saddle up.

He was right, he did have a much faster aircraft, he could have respected the threat and extended.

Instead he chose to manoeuvre himself onto your 12 O'Clock, at close range and then continued to ignore you while you sat on his tail knocking off parts of his aircraft. When he realised what was happening, it was too late.

As often happens after a short period of target fixation, his aircraft disintegrated, leaving him surprised and confused. That explains the complaints on 200.

I saw nothing that spoke to aircraft performance or aerodynamics. It was all about the geometry of the fight, target fixation and pilot disorientation.

For your part, you appeared to be very familiar with the Brewster's flying qualities and fully exploited them while executing superior BFM against a superior fighter.

Nicely done sir.

Hope that helps.

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Offline ZE

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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2024, 09:51:41 PM »
Thanks for the answers and analysis of the film. This is precisely why I still believe
 - even with some issues -, this is the best game. I understand the frustration when someone is killed, but don't like it when HT receives unnecessary comments.
I'm not the best player -or pretend to be -, and BREW is not a good plane, but in the game, in my humble opinion, it is fun.

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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2024, 11:55:11 PM »
Thanks for the answers and analysis of the film. This is precisely why I still believe
 - even with some issues -, this is the best game. I understand the frustration when someone is killed, but don't like it when HT receives unnecessary comments.
I'm not the best player -or pretend to be -, and BREW is not a good plane, but in the game, in my humble opinion, it is fun.

ZE, you’ve got the Brewster mastered, know BFM, and employ it consistently with success. That’s why the Brewster surprises the occasion player who doesn’t have a grip on BFM and energy management.  Hence, the whine about it being modeled incorrectly.



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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2024, 07:44:26 AM »
I always give a Brewster some respect been surprised by one more than once.

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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2024, 08:33:43 AM »
ACM's already been covered well. ZE, on the forum and in game you always seem like a class act, sincere and a good stick. If there's one thing I've learned through the whole YKW experience is that it's not to interact with people that way online. Some people are simply nuts, or at least temporarily nuts especially when they don't get their own way. Some players are paying for $15's-worth of ego-stroke per month. Just tune them out when they're like that and go about your business. The other fellow could have also considered that he's ignorant of relative energy-states instead of blaming HTC's modelling of the Brewster.

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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2024, 08:43:23 AM »
I used to have films of brewsters passing HO turn 180 degrees level and seeing the data in the film showing nearly zero loss in speed.

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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2024, 08:48:14 AM »
I used to have films of brewsters passing HO turn 180 degrees level and seeing the data in the film showing nearly zero loss in speed.

I'd like to see them.
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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2024, 08:54:31 AM »
I have passed a brew going in the opposite direction, both of us in a slight climb, in my 38J. Me flying straight and the brew turns 180 and then imediately stays with me in the climb. Seems odd but that has happened a few times.

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Re: Brewster Perfomance
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2024, 09:04:08 AM »
I used to have films of brewsters passing HO turn 180 degrees level and seeing the data in the film showing nearly zero loss in speed.
Thanks for the answers guys,
ICE, I will test this today since, in my knowledge of CFM,  the only way I can turn 180 degrees and don't lose my speed is to rudder down during the turn, scary especially at low altitud.
I will try to attach my test film...