typical morning but more so

[The Fugitive]

146,893 currently online in WT at 2am CST. Obviously they're not all in the same arena. What I was saying was a massive number of players that play the game. Seems some think that meant all in one arena.

Thats why I was asking. Lets keep the discussion to all apples vs comparing apples to oranges.

Aces has one main arena where you can interact with over 100 players most nights. What numbers does WT have per arena/playfield? If it cant match AH then I dont think its fair to call it "a game with massive numbers".

[Animl-AW]

Apparently, subscription gaming is not all that unusual.  AH is the only game that I play, so don't know anything about the other subscription services, but found this interesting:

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2024/12/sega-is-evaluating-its-own-netflix-style-subscription-service

We’re off Shanes rails at this point. But I agree. I think some get bit by smoke and mirrors of marketing. Ya can’t stop so many from a fad of believing that they don’t spend as much, or more, to play other games.

Our points made here, other games may have better graphics for the same money, but its at a trade off of intensive fun. IMO, 200-300 in one arena is more fun than small populated servers.

Before AW I played those type of games. I always got that sense of confined. Then I saw AW larger MP arena and it was like the holy grail, and has remained so. AW graphics were aged too, most put that aside for large MP arenas.  So to a lot of us old dogs, we’v been down this road before.

Some play 2-4 games, are dumping money and need this one to be free. Its a pattern, those who don’t mind $15 this is the only game they play. Should this be free because ya play many games with investments? No. Ya don’t pay for the game, ya pay for a big arena and the maintenance and equipment to do so.

Will others discover these facts? Evidently not.


Paid for fluffy graphics with less free fun
Paid more fun with free less fluffy graphics
No game seems to have both.

Pick your poison. Nothing is free.

Logic seems to be a hard point to accept for some.

As for main subject, what he states is true. There are dweebs in every game, ruining it. Maybe pretty planes has less, its also boring. Another trade off.

Don’t mean to offend, but repeatedly complaining about in open air does just as harm as the act behind closed doors.it puts negative in everyones face, including visitors who are deciding to play, or not. Ya just told them not to. We all know all the negatives, we don’t have to be reminded every 4-7 days. And its not just shane. We have a small group of broken records. They make it look worse than it actually is. Its bad PR.

Numbers is our current problem, being over shadowed by other graphics. So instead of complaining what low numbers cause I put my energy into promoting. That is the core problem. This other stuff are symptoms and smaller beans.

>IMO<

-the village idiot

[Animl-AW]

Thats why I was asking. Lets keep the discussion to all apples vs comparing apples to oranges.

Aces has one main arena where you can interact with over 100 players most nights. What numbers does WT have per arena/playfield? If it cant match AH then I dont think its fair to call it "a game with massive numbers".

Good point

More customers, but not a massive crown in one place.
Its hard to not make comparisons tho. But I do think they are apples and oranges.

No offense intended

I compare servers and MP MA to living in the city or the country. Much bigger space.

[flippz]

Part and most of the issue is players ignoring the am bish. Go beat them down. I mean this with no disrespect but most am bish couldn’t fly if they were on autopilot. The other thing is most am they are in 15eny+ planes. Grab a demon and kill a few.
This am I watched 2 guys on the nits lift from a field and fly two sectors away from the field being over ram. Now it’s their $15 to avoid combat but in a while it hurts the arena as i watched 3 guys that we’re defending log off as we had no help but again grab a plane get some alt and run through them sissy am bish.
Also am rooks are as bad. Every am have to gang the nits.  But I am convinced 90% of the player base left would be ok with no actual contact with some one that doesn’t fly straight for them.

[guncrasher]

Good point

More customers, but not a massive crown in one place.
Its hard to not make comparisons tho. But I do think they are apples and oranges.

No offense intended

I compare servers and MP MA to living in the city or the country. Much bigger space.

compare a game of 32 against a game of 100 at a time.  one the most you will fight is 16 while the other several times that number.


semp

[dbarry]

How do you pull up the box with the data on numbers in flight and percent owned etc....thanks

[Shane]

How do you pull up the box with the data on numbers in flight and percent owned etc....thanks

right click on the clipboard map and you'll see a popout menu... click on "country status" 

I call up the roster first so the country status pops out on its own instead of being in the space where the roster is.

[hazmatt]

I think you guys are missing my point. When you have a game that is very popular and has hundreds of thousands of players they obviously are doing something right to attract those kinds of numbers. I was saying that it wouldn't be hard to setup something that is more familiar to them and their style of play with some FTP arenas and some FTP planes. (That's is how you start out in that game for example.) Maybe after they tried it they would like it enough to subscribe and play in the massive arena with hundreds of players.

I find it interesting that people feel the need to "disparage" other games to make theirs seem better even if it's: "fake news" There is a scenario type arena that has up to 128 players at one time and the simulator fights run 65 players at a time so the about 32 at a time number is false.  And then there's  the graphics thing over and over: "pretty planes". I know for a fact that many of the people playing don't have the computing power to run the "pretty planes" but they still play the game for some reason. (go figure) People who have never tried some of the features of the other games call them boring. I find that fascinating as I find flying around in AH 3 on huge maps looking for a fight and then only able to find one with a hoard of enemy and then getting picked and having to start over looking for a fight boring. How about logging on to being repeatedly ganged by the other two counties who have the numbers?

Instead of evaluating the current situation and posting accurate information this discussion turns to: AH is better because it has hundreds and hundreds of players in one arena. (which it doesn't currently have)

I would love to see AH return to it's glory days and I know some people are putting forth an effort, however attacking anybody or anything who makes a suggestion that doesn't fit to your vision is not going to change anything.

I'm done with offering suggestions as every time it turns into people defending AH 3 as the best that is, ever was and will be. (as if I'm attacking AH 3) which I am not. I'm merely saying that a game that has hundreds of thousands of players is doing something right and one that used to have hundreds of players might want to try something different because repeating the same thing over and over is having the same result over and over. (steadily decreasing numbers over time)

I am not trying to recruit people to any other games. If you guys are happy here then play it until you're the last guy left. I run into lots of guys in the other games that used to play this one so it's not like it's some big secret. Sadly last time I checked warbirds had 6 players online during prime time. Hopefully AH 3 has better tasting Kool-aid.

Merry Christmas all. I sincerely wish you and AH 3 the best in future.

[Animl-AW]

NP

What we’re up against is modern graphics.

Merry Christmas Hazmat.

[AKIron]

I think you guys are missing my point. When you have a game that is very popular and has hundreds of thousands of players they obviously are doing something right to attract those kinds of numbers. I was saying that it wouldn't be hard to setup something that is more familiar to them and their style of play with some FTP arenas and some FTP planes. (That's is how you start out in that game for example.) Maybe after they tried it they would like it enough to subscribe and play in the massive arena with hundreds of players.

I find it interesting that people feel the need to "disparage" other games to make theirs seem better even if it's: "fake news" There is a scenario type arena that has up to 128 players at one time and the simulator fights run 65 players at a time so the about 32 at a time number is false.  And then there's  the graphics thing over and over: "pretty planes". I know for a fact that many of the people playing don't have the computing power to run the "pretty planes" but they still play the game for some reason. (go figure) People who have never tried some of the features of the other games call them boring. I find that fascinating as I find flying around in AH 3 on huge maps looking for a fight and then only able to find one with a hoard of enemy and then getting picked and having to start over looking for a fight boring. How about logging on to being repeatedly ganged by the other two counties who have the numbers?

Instead of evaluating the current situation and posting accurate information this discussion turns to: AH is better because it has hundreds and hundreds of players in one arena. (which it doesn't currently have)

I would love to see AH return to it's glory days and I know some people are putting forth an effort, however attacking anybody or anything who makes a suggestion that doesn't fit to your vision is not going to change anything.

I'm done with offering suggestions as every time it turns into people defending AH 3 as the best that is, ever was and will be. (as if I'm attacking AH 3) which I am not. I'm merely saying that a game that has hundreds of thousands of players is doing something right and one that used to have hundreds of players might want to try something different because repeating the same thing over and over is having the same result over and over. (steadily decreasing numbers over time)

I am not trying to recruit people to any other games. If you guys are happy here then play it until you're the last guy left. I run into lots of guys in the other games that used to play this one so it's not like it's some big secret. Sadly last time I checked warbirds had 6 players online during prime time. Hopefully AH 3 has better tasting Kool-aid.

Merry Christmas all. I sincerely wish you and AH 3 the best in future.

It's just Animl and he disparages gamers rather than games. Prove me wrong Animl.

[The Fugitive]

I think you guys are missing my point. When you have a game that is very popular and has hundreds of thousands of players they obviously are doing something right to attract those kinds of numbers. I was saying that it wouldn't be hard to setup something that is more familiar to them and their style of play with some FTP arenas and some FTP planes. (That's is how you start out in that game for example.) Maybe after they tried it they would like it enough to subscribe and play in the massive arena with hundreds of players.

I find it interesting that people feel the need to "disparage" other games to make theirs seem better even if it's: "fake news" There is a scenario type arena that has up to 128 players at one time and the simulator fights run 65 players at a time so the about 32 at a time number is false.  And then there's  the graphics thing over and over: "pretty planes". I know for a fact that many of the people playing don't have the computing power to run the "pretty planes" but they still play the game for some reason. (go figure) People who have never tried some of the features of the other games call them boring. I find that fascinating as I find flying around in AH 3 on huge maps looking for a fight and then only able to find one with a hoard of enemy and then getting picked and having to start over looking for a fight boring. How about logging on to being repeatedly ganged by the other two counties who have the numbers?

Instead of evaluating the current situation and posting accurate information this discussion turns to: AH is better because it has hundreds and hundreds of players in one arena. (which it doesn't currently have)

I would love to see AH return to it's glory days and I know some people are putting forth an effort, however attacking anybody or anything who makes a suggestion that doesn't fit to your vision is not going to change anything.

I'm done with offering suggestions as every time it turns into people defending AH 3 as the best that is, ever was and will be. (as if I'm attacking AH 3) which I am not. I'm merely saying that a game that has hundreds of thousands of players is doing something right and one that used to have hundreds of players might want to try something different because repeating the same thing over and over is having the same result over and over. (steadily decreasing numbers over time)

I am not trying to recruit people to any other games. If you guys are happy here then play it until you're the last guy left. I run into lots of guys in the other games that used to play this one so it's not like it's some big secret. Sadly last time I checked warbirds had 6 players online during prime time. Hopefully AH 3 has better tasting Kool-aid.

Merry Christmas all. I sincerely wish you and AH 3 the best in future.

If your talking about my post, all I was pointing out was compare apples to apples. Saying a game is "massive" in numbers because it has a lot of numbers over a bunch of places isnt the same as the numbers AH pulls in it one main arena. 65 players in the sim arena is still less than AH100-110, and the scenario arena set for 128, does it ever come close to that number?

Im sure many players do defend AH because we love this game. But many come in here pushing other games but never fairly. Some are disgruntled with Aces High for one reason or another, others have their issues with HTC real or believed, so yes there is a lot of players "defending" here.

As for why AH doesnt keep bringing in numbers...... Im thinking not enough people know what AH has. You said players dumb down the graphics on those other games..... so its not the graphics here. My bet is they dont even bother to look. Too many negative posts about poor game play/graphics/and so on. All AH needs really is another 100 players on always. That would be 130-150 Euro prime time, 200-220 East coast prime time. Getting past all the negative post is the problem.

[Animl-AW]

If your talking about my post, all I was pointing out was compare apples to apples. Saying a game is "massive" in numbers because it has a lot of numbers over a bunch of places isnt the same as the numbers AH pulls in it one main arena. 65 players in the sim arena is still less than AH100-110, and the scenario arena set for 128, does it ever come close to that number?

Im sure many players do defend AH because we love this game. But many come in here pushing other games but never fairly. Some are disgruntled with Aces High for one reason or another, others have their issues with HTC real or believed, so yes there is a lot of players "defending" here.

As for why AH doesnt keep bringing in numbers...... Im thinking not enough people know what AH has. You said players dumb down the graphics on those other games..... so its not the graphics here. My bet is they dont even bother to look. Too many negative posts about poor game play/graphics/and so on. All AH needs really is another 100 players on always. That would be 130-150 Euro prime time, 200-220 East coast prime time. Getting past all the negative post is the problem.

Agreed. ^^

I don't mean to come off as attacking Hazmat or anyone else, he means well.

The comparisons from others in other games are many times selective and weak. It's also like their dog pooping in our yard, which is not cool in RL nor virtual world. Common logic.

AH hasn't gotten any real advertisement in years. Some don't even know AH exist, and some old players don't even know it's still in operation.

On YT, a player of another sim post a video with 10k viewers from the same game leaps it to the top instantly, it's hard to break through to get yours on top when a crappy video gets 10k viewers in 2 days. Yet, I've seen nothing exciting. Not one triggered me to want to be there.

Updated FX in AH could go a long way to get it up to speed without over-hauling the game engine (I would HOPE).

The negative post hurt the game more then the action disputed. Most of which are of a moment not a long trend, and can usually be explained. But they still hurt the numbers. It tells them don't play this. Yet in reality, it's only about 3-5 who keep beating dead horses with 20-35yr old complaints.

Its a game people, adapt. I mean that in the kindest of ways

[AKIron]

The people who play the game are the most negative Animl. Including you.

[Animl-AW]

The people who play the game are the most negative Animl. Including you.

Nonsense.

Your approach is either passive aggressive power of suggestion or projection. Enough. You've already painted your own picture.

[Shuffler]

My terrain Shuff's Paradise was used quite a lot in H2H. I had others that got were used... but not near as much.