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[AKIron]

The call for more automation in flight operations is likely to grow after the recent Blackhawk/CRJ collision. The technology has been around a while but people want to protect their jobs and of course there is vulnerability to hacking. We'll see.

[CptTrips]

The call for more automation in flight operations is likely to grow after the recent Blackhawk/CRJ collision. The technology has been around a while but people want to protect their jobs and of course there is vulnerability to hacking. We'll see.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune:_The_Butlerian_Jihad

Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

But regardless of how people feel about it, it's here.  It can't be stopped now.  You can't put the Genie back into the bottle.  You can't un-ring the bell.

[AKIron]

Guess we can always burn the sky.

[Brooke]

I use LLM's a lot.

They are hugely useful.

I don't think that they will replace humans in everything.  They are productivity multipliers.

Past new technology eliminated some jobs, such as autolooms that put some loom operators out of work, or PC's that put punch-card operators and some secretaries and typists out of work.  Also, past new technology created more jobs in total, such as autolooms that created more jobs in total in the textile industry, or PC's that created jobs in computer tech, computer sales, programming, and use of computers.  I think LLM's will be the same.

[Eagler]

AI and automation will put an entire segment out of work..not everyone has the aptitude to learn robotic repair nor will Amazon need that much humanity in their distribution centers by then

Universal income for those will be mandatory

Like social security it will be based off a metric which benefits the government not the recipients

Should make them much easier to control

Eagler

[Brooke]

AI and automation will put an entire segment out of work..not everyone has the aptitude

It will put some people out of work.  It will create in more jobs in total.

That was the case for the autoloom.  That was the case for PC's.  That was the case for about everything invented in history, from the wheel onward.

The way societies deal with it ranges from nothing (get a different job) to welfare (pay people for some amount of time, to give them some time to find different job).

Paying people forever (UBI) is -- in my opinion -- a terrible idea that is destructive to a society.  There are books about that, studies about that, history of that (UK's permanent underclass, failed UBI experiments in Canada, Finland, etc.).

For anyone interested in why things like why UBI, incorrectly structured welfare, and minimum wages don't work, I recommend Basic Economics, by Sowell, or Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980, by Charles Murray.

[CptTrips]

It will put some people out of work.  It will create in more jobs in total.

The problem is, your answer sounds a lot like telling laid off coal miners to "Learn to code, Bruh!"  meme. 

They may or may not be able to find other jobs.  Most middle tier jobs are going to be gone.  Also taken by AI.  You travel agents, claims adjusters, accountants, executive assistants, paralegals, etc.  All that's going to be gone or you're going to need a LOT fewer of them and the remaining jobs will probably just be take by H1B's.

Even for software engineers, you are going to need a LOT fewer and the quals are going to climb higher and higher.  All the middling programming jobs; Web script hackers,  QA testers, WordPress developers, etc, Buh Bye.  I hate to sound elitist, I know that isn't the fad now days, but  not everyone is capable of becoming a top tier software architect.  Even amoungst current working programmers, maybe 15% could be trusted to design a complex system.  An ex-travel agent has a low probability of just taking a 6-month coding camp and coming out a a software architect. 

All those middling jobs will be the first to go.  Eventually even the higher end jobs will either be taken by AI or really cheap H1B's.  They are even trying to automate fast food workers.  If a burger flipper's job isn't safe, who's would be?

Maytag robot repairman?  I don't think you will need 1/10th as many of those as you had human factory workers, so what do you do with the rest of them?  And I don't see why you couldn't just have specialized robots that repair robots. Especially if the factory robots are specifically design to be repaired by robots. 

I won't even get into agism which is rampant.  At least in the tech world, if you are 40+ and get laid off, now days you're going to have a tough time getting another job.  If you are 50+?  There is a good chance your career is over.  Hope you socked away those stock options from the boom times.  Between AI and H1B's you better like delivering Uber Eats.  Until the self-driving robotic delivery drivers take over too.

I don't know what the answer is, but I foresee a level of social displacement in the coming decades like we haven't see in a long time.  I see no way to stop it, but everyone should be preparing.  I think there is going to be a large surplus of unneeded of human material.  What you do with that I don't know. 

Soylent Green?

[Eagler]

Same with the largest employer of them all..the military

You only need so many human drone operators

Eagler

[CptTrips]

Same with the largest employer of them all..the military

You only need so many human drone operators

Eagler

At least the military doesn't hire H1B soldiers.  Yet.

[AKIron]

At least the military doesn't hire H1B soldiers.  Yet.

You don't have to be a citizen of the US to join our military. Foreign nationals cannot be stationed overseas though. At least that's how it was when I retired from the Air Force 30 years ago.

[CptTrips]

You don't have to be a citizen of the US to join our military. Foreign nationals cannot be stationed overseas though. At least that's how it was when I retired from the Air Force 30 years ago.

Yeah.  We had a Polish guy in my squadron when I was in.  I was confused as heck.     I was stateside.

[CptTrips]

I'm glad I'm at the age I am and not some kid trying to get his career started today.

Man.  Mid-90's to about 2015 was great time to be a developer.  I used to get two head-hunters a week calling to try and lure off somewhere.
Companies used to throw perks and money at you to keep you.  It was very good times. 

[AKIron]

One area of IT support that is safe from AI is end user support. Unless you want AI declaring war on all humanity.

[AKIron]

If I were instructing AI in IT management the first rule of AI would be "if it ain't broke don't fix it".

[Meatwad]

One area of IT support that is safe from AI is end user support. Unless you want AI declaring war on all humanity.

30 minutes into it, it would declare all humans are too stupid to continue existence on this planet