Everything Starts With Nutrition

[Baloo]

Ancient Egyptians had a clever saying (to the best of my memory)...

"1/3 of what we eat is what we need to live on.   The other 2/3 is what our doctors live off of."

 

Lol they knew back then! It even applies to working out! Check out Mike Mentzer...there is so much knowledge out there and also misinformation...no wonder so many are struggling!

[xanax]

Lol they knew back then! It even applies to working out! Check out Mike Mentzer...there is so much knowledge out there and also misinformation...no wonder so many are struggling!

I have friend and fellow bike racer we dubbed "couch to podium." He worked out of town and usually could only train on the bike once a week due to time. He'd ride to utter failure that one day and spend the rest of the week after work on the couch in his hotel room watching TV. Come race day however, he was up on the podium almost every time after the race. Reminds me of Mentzer a bit.

[Baloo]

I have friend and fellow bike racer we dubbed "couch to podium." He worked out of town and usually could only train on the bike once a week due to time. He'd ride to utter failure that one day and spend the rest of the week after work on the couch in his hotel room watching TV. Come race day however, he was up on the podium almost every time after the race. Reminds me of Mentzer a bit.

Hahah hey no harm in the easy way out, if it works! Being lazy has its perks...don't want to workout? Don't eat. Want to eat? Do body weight squats till you can't. Want to play aces high for 3 hours? Do 10 push-ups everytime you're down haha

[Getback]

Ancient Egyptians had a clever saying (to the best of my memory)...

"1/3 of what we eat is what we need to live on.   The other 2/3 is what our doctors live off of."

 

LOL

[Getback]

From my experience, if you're starving yourself, you've already failed. Most people on the carnivore diet don't count calories and don't weigh themselves every day. I weigh myself twice a month.

[nopoop]

Well, 6 foot five, 205lbs. 73 years old
One meal a day (dinner)
Favorite meal...
One pound 80% lean beef hamburger formed to an inch thick cooked on the BBQ rare. Cup of white rice and a salad.
Gym 4 days on, 1 day off. (Weigjts an machines)
Went back to lifting after retirement. Old body builder in my twenties's and thirties

Biggest surprise is the body doesnt forget even at my age. Strenth is less, but the size comes back. It remembers.

[CptTrips]

From my experience, if you're starving yourself, you've already failed. Most people on the carnivore diet don't count calories and don't weigh themselves every day. I weigh myself twice a month.

Agreed.  If you are fat adapted and eating Carnivore there is no need to calorie restrict for weight loss.  and you shouldn't weigh anyway.  As you might be trading fat for muscle which weighs more.  A tape measure is better than weighing.  Or just look in the mirror at you body composition.

That is why I don't fast for weight loss.

If you want increased autophagy, occasional fasting of some type is the only way I know of that will activate that pathway.

$0.02.

[xanax]

Well, 6 foot five, 205lbs. 73 years old
One meal a day (dinner)
Favorite meal...
One pound 80% lean beef hamburger formed to an inch thick cooked on the BBQ rare. Cup of white rice and a salad.
Gym 4 days on, 1 day off. (Weigjts an machines)
Went back to lifting after retirement. Old body builder in my twenties's and thirties

Biggest surprise is the body doesnt forget even at my age. Strenth is less, but the size comes back. It remembers.

That's fantastic! Keep up the good work.

[xanax]

Agreed.  If you are fat adapted and eating Carnivore there is no need to calorie restrict for weight loss.

That is why I don't fast for weight loss.

If you want increased autophagy, occasional fasting of some type is the only way I know of that will activate that pathway.

$0.02.

Actually, there's data out there showing metformin (Glucophage) inducing autophagy while inhibiting gluconeogenesis at the same time. I forget the pathways but that's a double barrel of potential.

It's also suspected in fighting some carcinomas as well via autophagy.

Kind of a wonder drug situation.

[CptTrips]

Actually, there's data out there showing metformin (Glucophage) inducing autophagy while inhibiting gluconeogenesis at the same time. I forget the pathways but that's a double barrel of potential.

It's also suspected in fighting some carcinomas as well via autophagy.

Kind of a wonder drug situation.

Perhaps, but I'm not big on pills if I can avoid them. 

Periodic therapeutic fasting has been used by various cultures for thousands of years for it's health benefits.


Check out Valter Longo's research on fasting for cancer treatment. 

And amazingly,

In mouse studies, the fasting mimicking diet was as effective as chemotherapy. Instead of damaging normal tissues and organs, it protected them.

https://valterlongo.com/cancer/#:~:text=Five%20Day%20Fast&text=In%20mouse%20studies%2C%20the%20fasting,and%20organs%2C%20it%20protected%20them.

FMD is just fasting for people who are scared of fasting.   No additional benefit over fasting other than easier compliance for most Normies.

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Agreed.  If you are fat adapted and eating Carnivore there is no need to calorie restrict for weight loss.  and you shouldn't weigh anyway.  As you might be trading fat for muscle which weighs more.  A tape measure is better than weighing.  Or just look in the mirror at you body composition.

That is why I don't fast for weight loss.

If you want increased autophagy, occasional fasting of some type is the only way I know of that will activate that pathway.

$0.02.

Exactly! I started fasting to get the fat out of my liver. From what I gather the fat in your liver is caused by carbs. Even then I only fast when I'm not hungry.

I looked at myself in the mirror and thought what's missing. Then one day I realized I had no love handles.

[xanax]

Perhaps, but I'm not big on pills if I can avoid them. 

Periodic therapeutic fasting has been used by various cultures for thousands of years for it's health benefits.


Check out Valter Longo's research on fasting for cancer treatment. 

And amazingly,
https://valterlongo.com/cancer/#:~:text=Five%20Day%20Fast&text=In%20mouse%20studies%2C%20the%20fasting,and%20organs%2C%20it%20protected%20them.

FMD is just fasting for people who are scared of fasting.   No additional benefit over fasting other than easier compliance for most Normies.

Oh I'm all in on fasting. About to finish an 18-hour one with some chicken wings with a side of other chicken wings and a Lime Topo Chico fizzy water.

[CptTrips]

Exactly! I started fasting to get the fat out of my liver. From what I gather the fat in your liver is caused by carbs. Even then I only fast when I'm not hungry.

I looked at myself in the mirror and thought what's missing. Then one day I realized I had no love handles.

Oh and on gluconeogenesis, that reminds me of a point I was going to make earlier that I forgot. 

There are some reasons some glucose in needed by the body even when fully fat adapted.  Can't remember the justification at the moment. 

However, that doesn't require the consumption of carbs because the healthy body is completely capable of creating it's own needed level of glucose from the essential fatty acids you get from your meat diet through gluconeogenesis.

If you consume dietary carbs, you are almost certain to get more glucose than absolutely needed and that triggers insulin and all usual downsides.

If you consume no carbs, the body happily makes the glucose it needs from gluconeogenesis, exactly in the amount needed.  No more.  No less.  And less than will trigger problematic insulin release.  So that is kind of a magic hack.  A better approach IMHO.

[CptTrips]

Oh I'm all in on fasting. About to finish an 18-hour one with some chicken wings with a side of other chicken wings and a Lime Topo Chico fizzy water.

Hey.  sometimes I weaken and think, "Man, I sure miss the old diet I used to have.  I miss beer, pizza, chips and salsa, spagetti, Loaves of that bread they serve at Pappaduexs, etc, etc.  I'm having to deny those pleasures on this diet.  Woe is me, such self-denial, such suffering!"

Then I look down at my plate at the perfectly grilled 16 oz rib-eye with a two TBS wad of Kerry Gold\blue cheese compound butter just beginning to melt into the meat, and a side of butter sauteed jumbo shrimp and scallops.

OK.  Maybe I'll get over it. 

[xanax]

Hey.  sometimes I weaken and think, "Man, I sure miss the old diet I used to have.  I miss beer, pizza, chips and salsa, spagetti, Loaves of that bread they serve at Pappaduexs, etc, etc.  I'm having to deny those pleasures on this diet.  Woe is me, such self-denial, such suffering!"

Then I look down at my plate at the perfectly grilled 16 oz rib-eye with a two TBS wad of Kerry Gold\blue cheese compound butter just beginning to melt into the meat, and a side of butter sauteed jumbo shrimp and scallops.

OK.  Maybe I'll get over it. 

That sounds damn good. Is the Kerry Gold/blue cheese a store bought product/ If so, I'll buy some tomorrow. Nuthin' better than a nice steak with scallops by-the-way...except the same but the scallops are wrapped in BACON!