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Offline caldera

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for the sake of buff pilots
« on: May 21, 2026, 04:54:36 PM »
Can we go back to the red dot on the map for all enemy aircraft?

Even being an avid buff hunter, it's hardly fair that the bomber icon signals easy prey approaching.
With an incoming fighter, you really have no idea what you're up against until in visual range.  With a bomber, you know that no matter his altitude, you are in no danger until you attack.

The buff icon on the map is like ringing the dinner bell. 
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Offline Chris79

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Re: for the sake of buff pilots
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2026, 05:55:21 PM »
-1 I want the buggers to know where I’m at.


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Re: for the sake of buff pilots
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2026, 09:16:12 AM »

Do the mosquitos have the same icon?

Offline Devil 505

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Re: for the sake of buff pilots
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2026, 10:05:38 AM »
Can we go back to the red dot on the map for all enemy aircraft?

Even being an avid buff hunter, it's hardly fair that the bomber icon signals easy prey approaching.
With an incoming fighter, you really have no idea what you're up against until in visual range.  With a bomber, you know that no matter his altitude, you are in no danger until you attack.

The buff icon on the map is like ringing the dinner bell.

I'd agree as long as each plane in a bomber formation got it's own dot.
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Offline LilMak

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Re: for the sake of buff pilots
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2026, 10:16:39 AM »
While I don’t like them, I can live with the radar icons. As long as it is within the normal  (killable) radar rings. The problem is proximity radar where every plane and vehicle is its own radar tower. It supplies players with too much information and skews the game in favor timid/lazy game play. Players are can (too easily) engage or avoid combat by looking at the clipboard. Bombers are especially hosed because it makes it infinitely easier to intercept them.

AWACS is the single worst setting in game and has run off multiple players who otherwise would still be playing.
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Offline LilMak

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Re: for the sake of buff pilots
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2026, 10:33:08 AM »
I'd agree as long as each plane in a bomber formation got it's own dot.
That would be pretty cool because you could fly fighters in close formations and bait bomber killers. Still, AWACS needs to go away.
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Re: for the sake of buff pilots
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2026, 01:51:32 PM »
That would be pretty cool because you could fly fighters in close formations and bait bomber killers. Still, AWACS needs to go away.

So you don’t like it because you would rather be able to trick people as bait instead of just letting them know who you are and fighting as such? Serious question.

For me I really don’t care. It hasn’t changed anything for me. I find this one of the sillier petty hills people continually like to die upon.

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Re: for the sake of buff pilots
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2026, 03:48:31 PM »
So you don’t like it because you would rather be able to trick people as bait instead of just letting them know who you are and fighting as such? Serious question.

For me I really don’t care. It hasn’t changed anything for me. I find this one of the sillier petty hills people continually like to die upon.

You may not remember how it was.

Today as soon as a plane comes into the vicinity of an enemy plane EVERYONE on both teams know where they are, its direction, and whether its a bomber or a fighter. It dosent matter if dar is down it doesnt matter the distance they are from an enemy or friendly base.

In the old days you had to fly into an enemies base whos dar is functioning to see in coming cons. The best you got normally was a darbar moving from sector to sector. You got no other warning. You could use cloud cover to try and stay out of line of sight and setup an attack before you could get swarmed by 2, 3, how ever many cons were in the cap. Running high alt could get you the same as low alt if the "defenders" in the situation didnt scan the sky well enough, or often enough. A lone guy could jump 4 cons away from a base and stand a chance at getting a couple kills , reporting the cons to friendlies, and still maybe make it out alive.

The AWACs radar takes all that away. A friendly lighs up dar on 2-3 cons and you know/think that friendly sucks, doesnt play well with others, what ever and you can decide to just turn away and avoid that fight. Or a friendly lights up a single con and 4 friendlies converge on that one con from all over to sector to gang that one guys. Dont know about you but I hate "ganging" as much as I hate getting ganged on! It also make trying to sneak a goon in for a capture impossible. You dont even have to spot it, it pops up on dar as a bomber icon so easily.

There was a time that it worked to help newbis find fights, but now alll it does is destroys chances for fights and turns them into gangs or players running away to grab stupid alt and come back to pick. 

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Re: for the sake of buff pilots
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2026, 06:29:55 PM »
There was a time that it worked to help newbis find fights


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Re: for the sake of buff pilots
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2026, 09:13:09 AM »
I very much remember how it was. I just don’t care about it anywhere near as much as some you do.

Frankly, at this point, I think it’s just an excuse to complain about something because we’re running out of them.
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Re: for the sake of buff pilots
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2026, 10:05:19 AM »
IMO

Easy fix, attend Scenarios and FSOs

The MA is where noobs learn.
Cater to vets only and ya start closing doors.
I notice those who complain the most do not play in events much, if at all. And thats where what you ask for already exist. Your choice is your hangup.

Get out of the sandbox. If you don’t like MA settings it’s time to expand.

I know of at least 3 players who said “scenarios are just not my thing..” yet now I see them in every Scenario and FSO. They expanded outside the MA.

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Kinda reminds me of a dirt biker rider graduating to a Harley. When ya gonna take off the training wheels?

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Re: for the sake of buff pilots
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2026, 12:57:07 PM »
I would agree with that with one caveat.  When friendly bombs hit friendly objects like town building it destroys friendly building.

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Re: for the sake of buff pilots
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2026, 06:07:53 PM »
I would agree with that with one caveat.  When friendly bombs hit friendly objects like town building it destroys friendly building.

Well, in real world that would happen.
We keep bouncing between realism and gamey in the MA.

I can’t work like this