End Crater map

[DmonSlyr]

map needs to be changed to Greebo's specs asap. 6 hours tonight and not a fight for knights. I didn't roll once. We have to get rid of maps that aren't "inclusive". I could tell instantly when I logged in this afternoon it was a poor map just due to #s before I even logged in.

[DmonSlyr]

Crater map, where you are in the twilight zone and there's not a fight to be had for 6 hours....

[Eagler]

Some maps force you to switch countries just to have something to shoot at for that evening hour of ma..

Eagler

[-gg-]

I think it would be interesting to introduce a map that has only two sides into the rotation. Create a 4th and 5th country so that when that map came up, everybody has to choose a side and it doesn't affect the other maps or the country that you're normally on on the other maps.

I know people have suggested two sides or whatever for a long time but this is just for one map to see how it goes. What could it hurt?

[The Fugitive]

I think it would be interesting to introduce a map that has only two sides into the rotation. Create a 4th and 5th country so that when that map came up, everybody has to choose a side and it doesn't affect the other maps or the country that you're normally on on the other maps.

I know people have suggested two sides or whatever for a long time but this is just for one map to see how it goes. What could it hurt?

It would reset in less than an hour because the vast majority of players would join the same side and roll bases. If you force players to a side it would never reset as most players would log off because there squads/friends would be split between sides.

[-gg-]

I didn't say force people to a side. I said let them choose a side.

[-gg-]

For instance, the new two-side map comes on. You are presented with the current roster and you have to pick a country. Doesn't seem like a big deal and it's just one map. If it gets rolled, then it's not an issue either. Just see how a two side map might actually work. See if it would be fun.

There are a few maps we have now that most people don't like and have to put up with. Giant maps when at most times there are less than 60 people in the game.

Most times there are less than 60 people in the game. I see a typical 10, 20, 26 type of scenario on a crappy big map with ENY. It's not good. There's no easy way to find a fight and then there's ENY to make it suck even more.

Yeah, in USA prime-time there are usually between 60 and rarely 100 or slightly more on for a small window of time.

I don't see the harm in trying a two-side map. People could still elect to auto-side switch.

[Lusche]

It would reset in less than an hour because the vast majority of players would join the same side and roll bases. If you force players to a side it would never reset as most players would log off because there squads/friends would be split between sides.

Two thoughts: During non prime, there are already massive imbalance swings, with one country easily having like three times as many players 'inflight' as the other two combined. Also, in my opinion there is something worse than getting rolled by an overwhelming force: Having no enemy at all. Which is almost standard these days during off hours for one team. Even during prime time, there's often just enough cooperative players online to from one gang per team at most.
When you use autoswitch, it frequently happens, that you will get removed from a running battle and switched to a country having no combat opportunities at all.

[The Fugitive]

Two thoughts: During non prime, there are already massive imbalance swings, with one country easily having like three times as many players 'inflight' as the other two combined. Also, in my opinion there is something worse than getting rolled by an overwhelming force: Having no enemy at all. Which is almost standard these days during off hours for one team. Even during prime time, there's often just enough cooperative players online to from one gang per team at most.
When you use autoswitch, it frequently happens, that you will get removed from a running battle and switched to a country having no combat opportunities at all.

Switching to 2 sides isnt going to fix those issues, changing the switch time would. As it is now mornings are "bish time" and they just run the map, even with a big ENY. That is what you will get if we have a 2 sided war, most people will join one side and roll the map. The only people who have fun are those that like to roll maps with out opposition.

[-gg-]

how do you know what will fix it? Personally, I won't switch sides - I log off. I also log off when ENY gets to high and you can't get into a somewhat fair fight.

I've been taking casual notes of arena numbers and ENY effects. What I've noticed is that when ENY kicks in hard, the numbers do not simply sift to another country - the country with the big numbers ALWAYS reduces in numbers but the other two sides remain pretty much unchanged. So the net effect of ENY is that people log off.

[The Fugitive]

how do you know what will fix it? Personally, I won't switch sides - I log off. I also log off when ENY gets to high and you can't get into a somewhat fair fight.

I've been taking casual notes of arena numbers and ENY effects. What I've noticed is that when ENY kicks in hard, the numbers do not simply sift to another country - the country with the big numbers ALWAYS reduces in numbers but the other two sides remain pretty much unchanged. So the net effect of ENY is that people log off.

Correct, but ENY was NEVER setup to have players switch sides to even things up. It was setup to give the team with the bigger population worst equipment giving the other teams....with better equipment... a chance.

The issue with players logging is that many/most cant handle playing in a midwar/earlywar plane set. If they cant fly their hotrods they log.

It is already proven that if you have two sides you get players logging as they are over whelmed by bigger numbers..... note the Bish most mornings these days. Im pretty sure it wont work.

[oTRALFZo]

Switching to 2 sides isnt going to fix those issues, changing the switch time would. As it is now mornings are "bish time" and they just run the map, even with a big ENY. That is what you will get if we have a 2 sided war, most people will join one side and roll the map. The only people who have fun are those that like to roll maps with out opposition.

I honestly think that they should remove Bish, Knights and Rooks as side names and change them up frequently. I think all 3 sides have almost a commonality that is really outdated (Bish horde bases, Rooks are always in Yaks in outer space and Knights are all around the best group of guys (JK).

Not limiting where you can switch to fly and welcome the thought squads still stay together but I think peoples outlooks would change if they get a chance to fly with a different group (like FSO)

[popeye]

Even with three sides, players are not inclined to try to create fair fights.  Quite often it's two v. one - with the "one" being a low-number side.   Don't see how having only two sides would change that behavior.

[-gg-]

There are never really big number advantages anymore. I see ENY kick in when one side has 6, another has 15 and another has maybe 20. The country with 20 doesn't have 20 players either flying or in GVs -

I don't ever fly in a hoard. I've not even seen a hoard since I've come back. I've seen ENY at max and I see 5 planes coming for a CV and I'm the only one trying to up from it and the ENY is 25. I have no chance.


ENY sucks. The net affect of it is that people log off.

I log off and it's not because I can't get some uber ride to fly in a hoard. I log off because I am forced to fly a crap ride against LA7's, Ponies and D9s and the effective numbers in the air are usually at best even odds for me. Mostly I'm in a crap plane going up against the uber planes that have numbers too. Not overall numbers - but when there are only  40 people on and there are three countries and a GIANT map, the fights are not going against some giant hoard.

 

[-gg-]

I honestly think that they should remove Bish, Knights and Rooks as side names and change them up frequently. I think all 3 sides have almost a commonality that is really outdated (Bish horde bases, Rooks are always in Yaks in outer space and Knights are all around the best group of guys (JK).

Not limiting where you can switch to fly and welcome the thought squads still stay together but I think peoples outlooks would change if they get a chance to fly with a different group (like FSO)

I stay on one side and I don't care what the name is. I stay because of the squad and the people I fly with. When I came back, I just stayed with whatever country I ended up on and that's it.

Changing sides for me is a pain in the arse. I'd rather stay on my side and I don't care if we are outnumbered or not.

I actually get irritated at the auto side switchers. One second you're on vox playing with a guy and the next second he's shooting you down. Then he's back again 10 minutes later. I don't like that.