Author Topic: Give us AMRAAMS ... (Read 1101 times)

MANDOBLE · « **on:** January 23, 2002, 02:21:35 AM »

... to kill La7s.

Yesterday, 190A8 (4x20mm) vs La7, direct (only 20mm) and long burst covering the upper frontal zone of the La7 and part of the right wingroot, La7 was set on fire, no more visual damage. Some minutes later vs another La, another burst at 250 yards, this time there were about 10 dispersed 20mm hits. Dispersed hits, ok, but no damage at all.

Later in a 262 vs La7, first 30mm ping and white smoke on the La7, second 30mm ping and La7 was set on fire, third 30mm and La7 right wing went away (every ping caused damage, so, no rubber bullets involved).

Same, flight, some minutes later, 262 vs P51D, first 30mm ping and P51 was cut in half ...

It is only me or do you have same problems to cause damage to La7s?

Staga · « **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2002, 02:33:56 AM »

Here's a pic what a shell from 30mm MK108 does to Blenheim...

http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/mk108blenheim.jpg

fdiron · « **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2002, 03:01:35 AM »

LA7 is made of wood, not metal though. Wood was supposedly better at taking damage than metal.

bolillo_loco · « **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2002, 03:06:04 AM »

mandoble vaya con el garrote para matar el La-7

mrsid2 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2002, 03:07:08 AM »

For sure LA7's are the toughest to kill in the arena.
They take a LOT of hits from any caliber gun, they're small, fast and if they warp.. well.

I've had to give la7's 6-7 snapshots opposed to 2-3 on any other planes maybe f6f excluded.

OTOH a well placed burst from the jug rips even la7 in half, it just doesn't go down from snapshots.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2002, 03:22:26 AM »

fdiron, if a small fighter absorbs two 30mm HE rounds without structural damage, the only explanation is that it is made of concrete or mithril, nor metal and much less wood. Wood could be good against small AP rounds, but 30mm HE is simply too much.

The first described 190A8 20mm burst was more than enough to disintegrate a Lancaster.

DarkglamJG52 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2002, 03:42:04 AM »

Staga. Great pic, if Blenheim RTB was very lucky, the crew and the pilot had braves if They don't chute.

Staga · « **Reply #7 on:** January 23, 2002, 04:13:38 AM »

AFAIR that pic was taken in test shootings in England so no harm was done to RAF pilots

K West · « **Reply #8 on:** January 23, 2002, 08:40:39 AM »

"LA7 is made of wood"

A WITCH!! A WITCH!!!

BURN'UMmmmmmmmmm !!!!!!!

Wilbus · « **Reply #9 on:** January 23, 2002, 08:57:41 AM »

B17's were sometimes knocked down from single 30mm hits in the rear fuselage, it took about 3-5 30mm hits on a B17 to bring it down, with 1 hit in the wing you could literly shave off the skin of the plane of bout 1/4 or 1/3 of the wing. Seriously doubt a fighter will take 3 of them before going down, this have happaned vs F6F for me aswell, F6F and La7's can take ALOT of dammage.

Karnak · « **Reply #10 on:** January 23, 2002, 09:21:20 AM »

I remember smacking an La-7 with 10+ hits from my Tiffie's "lazer guns" (as some are wont to refer to Hispano MkII cannon) that are supposed to kill with one ping (a few pings are usually required in my experience) and getting absolutely nothing for it. No flight controls came off and no smoke was produced.

Once when I was flying an La-7 I made a sloppy attack on a B-17 and he drilled me. There were pinging noises, without letup, from well before I reached him until I was past his nose. The only damage that cause was a pilot wound. I returned to base successfully.

It seems to me that the La-7 is the toughest fighter in AH. That is just my personal experience though.

deSelys · « **Reply #11 on:** January 23, 2002, 09:21:41 AM »

...while IL2s disintegrate after a short burst....

Staga · « **Reply #12 on:** January 23, 2002, 09:48:23 AM »

I would expect 30mm mk108 being a "One Shot, One Kill"-type of gun when used against fighters thought I've seen a pic of Me-109 after getting a hit from P-39's 37mm just behind the cockpit.
Pilot was able to fly back to the base with a plane missing couple squaremeters of aluminium plates.

Tumor · « **Reply #13 on:** January 23, 2002, 09:58:42 AM »

The new guys need an easy ride folks

Give it a rest lol

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #14 on:** January 23, 2002, 10:06:31 AM »

It's a moot point since you didn't say where those 30mms impacted. Same spot? More than likely not. Same region of the aircraft? More than likely not. If you hit the tail section with a 30mm, the vert and horiz stab will fall off a La7. Hit a wing, and it will come off. Hit the fuselage though, and you will more than likely damage one of the internals rather than the actualy fuselage.
-SW