Author Topic: take away the -4 on the fu4 -4 (Read 285 times)

air_guard · « **on:** January 28, 2002, 12:42:51 AM »

First of all its to expensive in perk cost. Performance and guns is not that special, so it dont need to be perked as a 60 perk plane.
If not alteast take away that extra -4 tag so people dont dump 30k just to take a fu4-4, or that u get 10 guys on u as soon as u show in it.
Yes Ive seen the performace table of it too, and know its 10mph faster than the p51, but that dont matter much when u always got a higher conn around, who want to blew all his alt just to get a perk plane.
Like the rest of the fu4`s it can only go for max 2 circle turns before u have to gain speed again to avoid a nasty spin or loosing to much energy.
second this is prolly the reason for not seeing it much around in the game.
I cannot somhow see any tag on the 190`s or the 109`s ?

airguard

Tac · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2002, 12:53:23 AM »

With this particular plane I agree. The F4u-4 is to the F4U-D as the 190D9 is to the 190a5 and the 109G10 is to the 109f4.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2002, 05:28:29 AM »

Surely it has been discussed in the past, but, IMO, the exact plane type should be shown at less than 1000 yards and a generic plane type for 1000 yards and farther.

that is
190D9 at 1500 yards is shown as "190".
190D9 at 700 yards is sown as "190D9".

F4U4 at 2000 yards is shown as "F4U".
F4U4 at 900 yards is sown as "F4U-4".

And so on.

straffo · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2002, 07:05:07 AM »

I agree get ride of the 4

Get ride of the T.E.M.P of the Tempest and set it to T.Y.P.H.

Wilbus · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2002, 12:47:54 PM »

Well, sorry but if F4U 4 should be set to teh F4u you should set TA152 to 190 aswell. Ta152 is in every way a worse plane then the F4U 4 and people jump it. Don't think that just because it is a TA152 is is high, because it usally isn't and it gets jumped.

If you wanna stop getting jumped I sugest you develop some of our LW genes and go to 30k

Tac · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2002, 07:13:29 PM »

Ta152 is visually distinguishable from the 190's due to its longer wings.

OTH, the 190D9 should have its own icon, the long-nosed 190's was different from the earlier models in that sense.. and allied pilots would easily tell them apart for that feature.

Tempest/Typhoon i'd agree as well.

Same with the 202 and the 205.

Seeker · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2002, 10:36:24 PM »

I'd like to see the Icon labeling change too.

I understand and support Icons in them selves; but they should be generic as possible. While I defer to real life pilots such as Toad when real life vision limits are discussed; I think it's entirely appropriate that you should have to get close to discern which particular Spits, 109's, jugs and the like you're facing.

I'm quite prepared to believe that some one can say "Spitfire!" from five miles away. I'm just not convinced that same person should be able to add "a Mk IX lmf, I see" too.

WarChild · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2002, 11:16:17 PM »

I asked HT this exact Q one day in main in private chat. he stated that the -4 is there because it IS a perk plane. It is singled out, as are all perk planes.. i think thats how he wants it. I think it shoudl be gone.. as well as the ta-152 should read 190 .. because its of the 190 line till you get close enuf to see it has condor wings.

i also think that models should not have thier subset # at all. like spit5 or spit9.. shoudl just be spit.. thats all you could tell in the air anyway right?

la5 has no chance, but if all la's showed just la, u wouldnt know how to treat that prey. it would give the the la5 or spit 5 a little element of suprise. same for yak and who knows how many planes to come.

there is precidence for what we are asking here..

the 109 series.

>S<

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2002, 05:05:49 AM »

Actually I think allied pilots had difficulty with 190 recognition with numerous reports of combat with "long nose" 190s even in 1943.

mipoikel · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2002, 05:50:08 AM »

I used to listen opposite planes and I make difference between spits by sound. Spit5 sounds like a ultralight plane and spit9 like a fighter.

air_guard · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2002, 07:46:58 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Actually I think allied pilots had difficulty with 190 recognition with numerous reports of combat with "long nose" 190s even in 1943.

Thats my point u cant see it until 200feet away, same goes for the fu4`s only diffrence is cannons and machineguns and u have to be close to see that.

And lets say compare the 190d9 vs the fu4-4 I really cant see why the fu4-4 cost that much when u look at their performance charts ?
Then again this is a hopless discussion anyway, dont think HTC will do anything to change the perk set .

airguard.

Wilbus · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2002, 08:29:46 AM »

Then the P51 's should read P51B and P51D, the P47's same thing etc etc Tac.

hazed- · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2002, 09:07:34 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Surely it has been discussed in the past, but, IMO, the exact plane type should be shown at less than 1000 yards and a generic plane type for 1000 yards and farther.

that is
190D9 at 1500 yards is shown as "190".
190D9 at 700 yards is sown as "190D9".

F4U4 at 2000 yards is shown as "F4U".
F4U4 at 900 yards is sown as "F4U-4".

And so on.

absolutely agree.100%

Tac · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2002, 09:42:04 PM »

Wilbus, the P51's are already easily distiguishable because of the color scheme. True, the cockpit area is different, but the planeform is still almost identical. If there was a white colored 51B then it might deserve its own icon, but I think the P-51's differences are visually so insignificant to their performance. The 51B is a few mph faster than the D, thats it.

"Actually I think allied pilots had difficulty with 190 recognition with numerous reports of combat with "long nose" 190s even in 1943."

They would know it was a 190 from far away (whatever was the range they could make out the shape), but they would certainly tell apart a D9 during the merge or during the fight.. such visual difference is easy to spot.

P-47's are almost identical planeforms too. They didnt have their nose extended or tail enlarged in the same way a D9 had.

Imo:

Plane/Icon shown

C202&205/MACCHI

La5&La7/LAV

F4u-1,F4U-D&C, F4U-4 /F4U

190a5&a8&f8/ 190
190d9/190D9

Tempest & Typhoon / HawkerT

"as the ta-152 should read 190 .. because its of the 190 line till you get close enuf to see it has condor wings"

What are you saying? The 152's big wings are identifiable up to d5.9 or so (on zoom view of course). And very easy to identify in a glance during a dogfight. Them big wings make it look like a veeery odd 190.

Currently it is easy to tell apart a Yak9U from a 9T, a 109f4 from a G10 and a 190D9 from the rest.. just because of their sheer performance difference. Generally, if its ungodly fast or accelerates like last night's restrained fart under the bedsheets, its the late war model.

I can understand HT wanting to keep perks as identifiable rides, but I can also see that flying a perk ride only makes flying that plane a very frustrating experience as EVERY whoopee plane will disengange from other cons and do their darndest to HO you or spray at you in hopes of getting you.

Thats not a perk plane, thats a piñata!

And since the current perk planes (except for 262 and ta152) are visually identical to their earlier models AND they are NOT that much more uber-performing when compared with un-perked rides like the La7, P51,109g10 and 190D9 and Tiffie.. and their armaments are not that much better (dont have four 30mm's like the 262)... then why not give them the same icon as their earlier models as well?

Flying the perk plane would then be a great experience, with people being able to point out if you're a perk or not by the cowardly way of flying it and by the boosted accel/speed performance they see... just like the d9 and g10 are spotted out.

Karnak · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2002, 11:17:48 PM »

I think that perk planes should have the name of their base type. I also think that the C.202 and C.205 should share a label and the La-5 and La-7 as well.

The Me262 and Ar234 I'm afraid need to keep their cursed icons as there is no base non-perk airframe for them.

If the pilot flying against that 190 recognizes it as a Ta152H-1 due to its wings, well, boffo for him. He did a good job and can now choose better tactics to fight it. The same goes for the F4U-4 and Tempest.

C.202, C.205 = C20
Typhoon, Tempest = Typh
Fw190A-5, Fw190A-8, Fw190F-8, Fw190D-9, Ta152H-1 = 190
F4U-1, F4U-1C, F4U-1D, F4U-4 = F4U
La-5FN, La-7 = LAV

Future possibilities:

P-47D-11, P-47D-25, P-47D-30, P-47M = P47
P-51B, P-51D, P-51H = P51
Spitfire MkIa, Spitfire MkVb, Spitfire MkIX, Spitfire MkXIV = Spit
Mosquito B.IV, Mosquito FB.VI, Mosquito B.XVI = MOSS
B-29A = B29

This would make perk planes actually fun to use. If perk planes were actually fun to use people would spend their perk points. People would spend their perk points while having fun playing the game. That is what we pay for.