New CT set up for Feb.9,The Channel 1944

[brady]

The next CT set up will be starting on the 9th of Febuary and will be, The Channel 1944, we will have a primarly 1944 plane set with some planes from earlier in the war to add some depth to the set. The set up will use the Europe map and have the Germans in France and the Alies in England, full field capture will be enabled. The Germans will have the B 17 as a substitute for the He 177 and the Spit 9 and Me 109G10 will be perked at 1 PP each. This set up should be a lot of fun do to the short distances between several of the fields along the channel.

Axis:

AR 234(15 perks)
Bf 109 (all models) G10 perked at 1pp
C 47(JU 52)
FW 190's(all models)
JU 88A4
Ostwind
M-3
M-8
Panzer
PT boat
B 17G(replacement for He 177, will add some balence in this area)
Me 262(25 perks)

Allied:

B 17G
B 26B
C 47
M 16
M 3
M 8
Panzer
P 38
P 51D & B
P 47(all models)
Pt boat
Spit V
Spit IX ( 1 perk point)
Typhoon
Tempest (15 perks)
Mosquito Mk VI
Lancaster ( 3 perk points)
Huricane IIc

[Raubvogel]

Sounds good

[Thrawn]

Looks good.  Why perk the G10 and not the Dora, the Spit IX and not the P51D?

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Why perk the Spit IX and not the P51D?

Because LW flyers have more trouble fighting a spit IX than a P-51:cool:

[Jester]

WHAT! No Hellcats or at least Corsairs? Guys hadn't you ever heard of the ROYAL NAVY??? They had bases all over England also.
 Come on Brady and the CT crew! You are killing us! We want to come into the CT and fly to help boost the numbers - all we ask is for the Navy planes to be available.

[Karnak]

Hmmph.

The Spitfire MkIX was the main RAF fighter of 1944, and not this lousy F.Mk IX that we have but the good LF.Mk IX.  The Mk Vb was certainly no longer used against enemy fighters, the Mk Vs had been modified to LF.Mk Vs and were used for ground strikes.

Perking the Mk IX.  Should perk all of the Fw190s to even things out.  

And giving them an unperked B-17G to represent the almost non-existant He177 while the very existant and very vulnerable Lancaster is perked?

[Kronos]

Correct me if im wrong, but also, didnt the He-177 have a much greater payload than the B-17?  I believe the He 177 could carry up to 13,200 lbs of bombs internally, aswell as standoff rockets in the wings.... (this plane would make a good addition to AH for the LW)  Would be more accurate to give the LW a Lanc and maybe perk it too?  Heck dont even bother perking it LW prolly wont fly it anyway


Anyway, looks like a good setup!

[Wilbus]

He177 could carry missiles controlled by the bombing officer, not sure it could carry 13,000 lbs though, got any more information about that Kronos?

The missiles Fritz X beind one of them, weighed (the Fritz X) nearly 1500Kg with a Warhead of about 300kg (I think, not sure about the warhead).
Quite many combat reports using these missiles, from He177, DO219's and the Ju 290 maritme recon/bomb plane. (Ju299 heavly armed for defence and quite fast). Quite many ships were sunk or heavily dammaged by this new kind of weapon.

Karnak, HE177 was far from almost non existant, it existed very much, problem was though, that the DB610 engines (good engines, badly installed) caught fire VERY often, and forced the plane to RTB or the crew to bail out. However, the plane saw success, they flew night mission over Britain and rushia, over GB they came in at 20k or so, dropped load then dove back to their base, near impossible to catch them. Over rushia they (amongst other things) destroyed many B17's on the ground during one night raid.

[Kronos]

this is HE 177 a-5 model
 
4 engine bomber
number built 1,146
service date entry 1942

range 3417miles
max speed 303 mph
service ceiling 26K

Armaments : combinations of 20mm mg 151 cannon and 5x7.92mm mg 81/131 MGS in the nose, dorsal, ventral gondola and tail positions up to 13,200lbs of bombs internally, 2x Hs293A or FX 1400 stand-off missiles under the wings.

And Wilbuz u are correct, it was 2 engines to a nacelle, which promoted under its design in-flight fires, oil leaks, etc due to the design complexities.  Although in service in 1942, apparently it had so many difficulties that it wasn't until 1944 that they were used with any effectiveness.  Again, would be nice to actually see this aircraft in AH.

source is from aircraft of ww2, a visual encyclopedia

[Wilbus]

Thanks, engines used was the (twin as you said) DB610, don't have mny book here but if I don't remember wrong, they were actually 2 DB603's put together, HP generated somewhere around 2,500-3000 depending on what version.

Allso, the armement of the A5 was 20mm like you said, but it had 13mm aswell, more 13mm then 7.9mm I THINK.

[Wilbus]

of the fritz X missile, it had a weight of about 1650kg with the warhead weighing about 1400kg.

[Eagler]

looks good, thx CT crew

[K West]

If HTC ever modelled the FritzX or other Axis guided munitions I'd hope they would model the US 'BAT' other radio controlled munitions too!

Parity! Parity PARITY!

 -  Westy

  (which is why we need the Meteor III andf at least TWO heavy Axis bombers)

[AN]

Kronos
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this is HE 177 a-5 model
 
4 engine bomber
number built 1,146
service date entry 1942
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Calling it a 4-engine bomber is a little misleading.

Two airscrews, two powerplants.  (although each powerplant *was* made of two DB605 engines welded together)  He177B was the true 4-engined variant, but it never got beyond prototype stage.

And also, over 1000 may have been built, but I read no more than 200 entered service. (Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWII)

'What use is the best aircraft in the world if it can't stop falling apart?  What use is the best racehorse if it displays the best speed over 200 yards and drops dead after 300!' -Erhard Milch


anRky

[Staga]

Something I collected several months ago:

He 177A-5/R2
Dimensions:
- length: 22.0 m.
- height: 6.4 m.
- wingspan: 31.44 m.
Weight:
- empty: 16800 kg
- normal loaded: 27225 kg
- max. loaded: 31000 kg
Powerplant:
2xDaimler-Benz DB 610A-1/B-1 24 cylinders in v-inverted
- take-off power: 2x2950 hp
- power @ 2100 m: 2x3100 hp
Speed (27225 kg weight):
- max @ sea level: 395 km/h
- max @ 6000 m: 485 km/h; 435 km/h if loaded up to 31000 kg of weight
- cruise @ 6000: 415 km/h
Initial climb rate:
260 m/min ()
Climb times:
- to 3000 m., 10 minutes
- to 6000 m., 39 minutes
Range (without bombs, bombs bay replaced by fuel tanks):
- 2xHs 293 guided missiles: 5500 km
- 2xSD 1400 X "Frizt-X" guided bombs: 5000 km
Ceiling: 8000 m.
Defensive armament:
1xMG 81J 7.92 mm with 1000 rounds in the forward of cockpit and manually operated, 1xMG 151/20 20mm cannon with 300 rounds in the forward part of ventral gondola, 2xMG 81J with 1000 round each in the rear part of ventral gondola (or a single MG 131 with 1000 rounds), 2xMG 131 13 mm in forward dorsal turret with 1000 rounds each operated electrically by a remote position, 1xMG 131 with 1000 rounds in rear dorsal turret, 1xMG 151/20 with 800 rounds in tail and manually operated.
Bomb load:
- max. internal: 6000 kg. of bombs
- usual load: 16x50 kg, 4x250 kg or 2x500 kg in bombs bay + 2xLMA III sea mines, 2xLT-50 torpedoes, 2xHs 293 guided missil or 2xSD 1400 X "Frizt-X" guided bomb in external racks.
Date of deploy to operative units:
February 1943
A-1/R1 Load
Bomb load:
- short distances (8802liter fuel): 48x50 kg, 12x250 kg, 6x500 kg or 4x1000 kg explosive bombs; 6x500 kg or 6x1000 kg armour-piercing bombs; 2x1000 kg + 2x1800 kg bombs or 2xLMA III sea mines + 2x1800 kg bombs
- medium distances: 32x50 kg, 8x250 kg, 4x500 kg or 4x1000 kg bombs
- long distances(12662liter fuel): 16x50 kg, 4x250 kg, 2x500 kg or 2x1000 kg bombs
 
*There are 4 fuselage tanks + 4 wing tanks.
*Each outer wing tank is 1120 liter in capacity.
*Each inner wing tank is 621 liter in capacity.
*The front 2 fuselage tanks are 1520 liter each(increasing to 3450l when bomb bay is blanked off).
*The rear 2 fuselage tanks are 1140 liter each.
So biggest possible fuel load is 12662 liter(which would give the 5500km range with missiles on the wings).
With the smaller fuselage tanks fitted total capacity is reduced to 8802 liter.

The DB DB 610 A-B, BR 0 u. 1 D.(Luft)T 3610 A-B, Motorenkarte, 1942,
shows the following min and max. values:
- start and emergency situation: 2800 rev/min.; 1,42 bar pressure: 960 l/hr
- low requirement, 2100 rev/min.; 1,0 bar pressure: 510 l/hr.