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« on: February 07, 2002, 03:42:14 PM »
Thursday February 7 1:25 PM ET
Man Tries to Enter Cockpit on Flight to Argentina
   
By Stephen Brown

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (Reuters) - An apparently drunken, unarmed Uruguayan passenger tried to force himself into the locked cockpit a United Airlines flight from Miami to Argentina on Thursday before pilots hit him with an ax and tied him up.

The 28-year-old man, said by Argentine authorities to have drunk whiskey before the flight, kicked down one panel of the cockpit door demanding to see the captain and got part of his body in before being overpowered by the crew and passengers.

The man, identified as Pablo Moreira, was arrested when the Boeing 777 carrying 142 passengers and 15 crew landed safely in Buenos Aires. But the incident alarmed other passengers and may raise new concerns about safety after the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon (news - web sites).

Cockpit doors on big U.S. jetliners have been reinforced with metal bars since the September attacks, when suspected hijackers apparently gained entrance to the flight decks of four planes, two of them United jets.

Another passenger on United Airlines Flight 855, Jan Boyer, told CNN that the man had managed to break down part of the lower half of the door by ``kicking in a Kung Fu style.''

``The cockpit door is divided into two sections and the lower section actually opens up and isn't protected by the barriers that they had put in,'' said Boyer. ``He had actually inserted himself ... his torso into the cockpit.''

But the pilots inside ``used an ax that they have in the cockpit to basically hit him bluntly on the head. This led to a lot of blood all over the place,'' said Boyer.

The small panel on the cockpit door is designed to pop out in case of an aircraft pressurization emergency.

United Airlines' Chairman Jack Creighton commended the crew for ``quick action'' and said Moreira ``never gained full entry due to the reinforced cockpit door bar United has installed on all of its fleet.''

In Miami, FBI (news - web sites) spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said the plane left Miami around midnight and the incident occurred about five hours later over Brazil.

``The worst moment was when I heard the voice of the captain, who sounded desperate, asking for help,'' said one passenger at the airport, a 50-year-old Argentine woman who identified herself only as Lucia.

The Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites) ordered the industry last month to install new cockpit doors to resist intrusion and certain gunfire and explosives on more than 6,000 commercial jets.

The government gave airlines 18 months to make the changes, which include mandatory locking devices only accessible to the pilots. The cockpit upgrades are expected to cost the industry at least $100 million.

Separately, U.S. aviation regulators have proposed new training guidelines to help flight crews, including flight attendants, deal with potential hijackers and unruly passengers.

The U.S. government also is considering a proposal to let cockpit crews carry stun-guns. Axes are kept in cockpits in case pilots have to evacuate in an emergency.

Jorge Reta, spokesman for the Argentine air force, said the man was being held in custody and ``feels sorry for what he did and admitted he had drunk whiskey before boarding the plane.''

The FBI said Moreira, identified as a bank employee, would be taken back to Miami and probably charged with ``interference with a flight crew.''

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2002, 04:05:54 PM »
They hit him with an AXE? Hahahaha.

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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2002, 05:05:06 PM »
Yeah, I heard the F/O hit him with the crash axe but kind of smacked him with the flat side of it. I suggest the F/O be grounded for two weeks and made to undergo remedial training in "crash axe use against a hijacker."

Jeez, he had the guy sticking through the cockpit door near the floor. Hasn't the F/O ever chopped wood? One good swing to the back of the neck and there you go. End of problem; notice well served to other potential problem flyers.


Second, how do you like those REINFORCED cockpit doors? A drunk can get most of the way into the cockpit. Good thing he wasn't a sober "professional". Gives you a good idea of how tough the doors were BEFORE we reinforced them eh?

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2002, 06:18:27 PM »
I believe the cockpits mod's were designed by each carriers mechanics and engineers. Obviously United didn't use American Airlines plans because not only do we have the cockpit door bar, we have a steel grate for the lower blowout panel. I'll bet everyone incorporates the door mod to our standards now.

I'm not saying it's impossible to breach, but I am saying it's impossible to get into a cockpit without taking a severe asswhippin, and definatley impossible to get complete access without tremendous effort, drunk or sober.

That really was like someone trying to attack you by sticking his head through your cat door while you sat there with a axe. Sure, he got in a bit, but he lost the "Im going to bite your shoes" "No your not, SMAK!" fight, heh.

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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2002, 07:38:07 PM »
Well, yours are way better than ours then. We've got the single bar like United. Bet we don't change until the entire " total new door" mandate goes into effect.

It's a $afety thing. You know "$afety i$ our number one concern".
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2002, 07:51:54 PM »
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That really was like someone trying to attack you by sticking his head through your cat door while you sat there with a axe. Sure, he got in a bit, but he lost the "Im going to bite your shoes" "No your not, SMAK!" fight, heh.


That's one of the funniest things I've heard this week Creamo! ROFLOL! I'll be chuckling about that the rest of the week :)

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2002, 08:01:37 PM »
"Cockpit doors on big U.S. jetliners have been reinforced with metal bars since the September attacks, when suspected hijackers apparently gained entrance to the flight decks of four planes, two of them United jets.
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suspected hijackers..
what the hell is that..
what an stupid statement, are they worried they are going to get sued by the moslem motherdiddlyers that killed all those people if they call them hijackers..

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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2002, 02:18:45 AM »
You know better than that Toad.  Just think of all the lawsuits that would be filed by the other passengers for the "mental anguish" of having to see a guy's head chopped off.  Hell, a few are probably filing suit already for something...I'm guessing no one in first class got waited on while the guy was being subdued.  That's gotta be worth a couple mil right there!  :D


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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2002, 03:13:49 AM »
Looks like they hit him with wrong end of axe.
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2002, 04:29:32 AM »
I don't think they'd see the head getting chopped, off, just the body kinda twitchin' funny :D

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You know better than that Toad.  Just think of all the lawsuits that would be filed by the other passengers for the "mental anguish" of having to see a guy's head chopped off.  Hell, a few are probably filing suit already for something...I'm guessing no one in first class got waited on while the guy was being subdued.  That's gotta be worth a couple mil right there!  :D


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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2002, 08:03:19 AM »
The thing I find very comforting in this whole incident is the reaction of the passengers!  It was the same when that idiot tried to blow up the flight from Paris recently.  I have a feeling that any terrorists thinking of trying to hijack an aircraft will now consider the passengers as more of a threat to their mission than any door on the cockpit!
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2002, 08:15:43 AM »
Lawsuits?

Airlines have LEGIONS of LAWYERS just sitting around picking their teeth waiting to deal with stuff like this. Time for them to go to work instead of just drinking coffee.

I think I better throw a beach towel in my flight kit. My F/O's are more thoroughly instructed on "proper technique" than this guy was. You know how those carotid arteries can spray around. No point in making a mess all over the cockpit.
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2002, 08:34:21 AM »
Ding, ding, (Call The Attendant to Machine #3 near the Elvis Bar) and the winner of the whole argument is... CURVAL!


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Exactly.

Hype it all anyone wants, 9/11 WON't happen again.

And lets applaued the F/O that slapped a drunk wallowing in a lower blow out door with the side of that axe..

 Killing him, although I could't care a toejam, would have achieved nothing.

The F/O made a life or death call, which i assume meant he was in control, which he was.

Cool.

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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2002, 08:58:33 AM »
Ooops, post lag, i never saw yer last toad.

My F/O's are more thoroughly instructed on "proper technique" than this guy was.

Heh, that's some blood thirsty sick toejam!

I still say let the futile drunks take the flat side of the "Axe of Wisdom", while they wallow in a heap on the floor of the cockpit, and then get arrested. But i can go your way as well.

Do you instruct the "Spiked" end, or the "Cutter?"

I go with the spike, it's just hideous and then they stick to the crime scene. Fukin aye, death and gore. SLAYER!

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2002, 10:16:36 AM »
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I go with the spike, it's just hideous and then they stick to the crime scene. Fukin aye, death and gore. SLAYER!


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