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Offline Curval

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Anyone see Arafat on 60 Minutes last night?
« on: February 11, 2002, 08:56:19 AM »
He looked old and sick....lower lip trembled alot.

Don't think he is long for the world even if he manages to scrape together some dignity and respect....dunno how though.
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2002, 09:24:14 AM »
If I am correctly informed Mr. Arafat suffers for years from Morbus Parkinson - an illness which could be identified by the Trias Akinesis/Hypokinesis, Rigor and Tremor.

Its an illness which cant be cured - you can only fight the symptoms.  
 
But I rembember reports on TV in the last 3 years which showed a Mr. Arafat who suffered from the symptoms of the M.Parkinson - disease  - so its not a new fact.

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2002, 02:03:05 PM »
too bad he probably won't live to see his people out from under the boot of israeli imperialism.

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2002, 02:08:11 PM »
"too bad he probably won't live to see his people out from under the boot of israeli imperialism."

eeeks  Imperialism?  Dunno if I would classify Israel as an Imperialst nation...

Okay...I looked up the precise meaning of imperialism, and I guess an argument CAN be made in that light...I guess it was the way you worded that response that made me flinch.

Don't you think though that Arafat and some of his cronies are responsible for the mess that the Palestinians are in right now?  

Israel seems to be the favourite "punching bag" for those who support underdog nations these days.  
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2002, 02:36:10 PM »
--- "Israel seems to be the favourite "punching bag" for those who support underdog nations these days. ---

Maybe we in Germany learned how to identify fascistoid and terroristic policy like the actual policy of Israel against the Palestinians.

To say that the Palestinians who fights in desperate suicide actions against the intruders are the agressors is like to blame the jews of the Warsaw Ghetto that they fighted as agressors against the nazi intruders in WW2.

But there is one really good thing: In the european press Israel has always been safe against accusations. They were the good guys and the others the bad ones.

After Sharon has shown his open terrorist politic this has changed totally. Even here in Germany - which has been over-sensible to the Israelis for too long - there have been a change in the reports and the analysis of the actions in Middle East.
Important politicians blame Israel for their terroristic policy - also a new fact in the german politician-scene.

The blind support for Israel is fading and this is really a good effect.

The results of these developments will not come at once - but in some years there will be the first results.

And this development cant be stopped - thanks to the terroristic actions of Sharon and his military mob.

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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2002, 02:54:20 PM »
Well, about israeli imperialism, this was ignored when I posted the link a few days ago, so you might want to know it:

More than 200 soldiers and officers of the IDF seem to agree with the Imperialism label. In fact their wording is much harsher:

http://www.seruv.org.il/defaultEng.asp

• We, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it.
• We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people. We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides.
• We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories, destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country.
• We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF’s human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society.
• We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end.
• We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements.
• We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
• We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel’s defense.
• The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose – and we shall take no part in them.



Wow, that seems "leftist antisemitic propaganda" but man, it comes from where it comes... First hand account from frontline IDF personnel.


I grew admiring the struggle of the Haganah and the Kibbutzim, but I had to accept later that what they built turned into a paranoic military state with a democratic facade, a mockery of the values upon it was built and even further, a mockery of the memory of the Holocaust.

Nothing should further grant the state of Israel the ability to be judged on different standards on military aggression and unlawful occupation of lands.

The stand of these soldiers is the first positive thing I hear from there in a very long time, but I'm pessimist, as the most probable ending of this story will be their dismissal as traitors or even worse things.

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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2002, 03:04:33 PM »
Careful...you are taking as Gospel the words of 200 individuals..it is as dangerous as believing what CNN reports.
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2002, 03:18:41 PM »
Mmm considering that statement, I bet that if there are 200 willing to risk who knows what by signing it, there must be a few thousands thinking the same but not brave enough to say it openly.



Almost all  the information I get on the Middle East comes from israeli or north american sources. The fact is that even with those sources I tend to become more and more critic about the policies of Israel, as Sharon seems to stick to "the worse the better".

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2002, 04:44:03 PM »
6 months ago, any commentary showing Israel as less than honorable in its intentions and actions would have produced an incredible flamefest..

Now, folks nod sagely and state, "Israel and Sharon go too far..."

About time, in more ways than one...

Time for Israel to pull out of the occupied territories.

Time for Palestine to be aknowledged as a legitimate state by the Western World

Time for the US to stop rubber stamping the forein policy of an aggressor governemnt in Israel.

Time for the US to halt the defacto theft and illegal resale of American Military Technology by Israel to China, India and other nations that cannot purchase these systems from the US legitimately.

Time to end the billion dollar aid and trade packages to governments that refuse to treat as equal humans those that do not worship as they do. Being an Arab, Israli, Christian, Moslem Hindu or Buddhist should not make any man subhuman in any nations eyes...

Time for the Middle East to wake up, smell the coffe and bury the hatchets.
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2002, 05:55:28 PM »
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Time for the Middle East to wake up, smell the coffe and bury the hatchets.


Ain't gonna happen.  Not in our lifetime anyway.  Why isn't that obvious?


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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2002, 06:02:14 PM »
How come Jordan and the other countries created at the same time as Isreal are never asked to do what Isreal is requested(demanded, actually) to do?

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2002, 06:39:44 PM »
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Originally posted by koala


Ain't gonna happen.  Not in our lifetime anyway.  Why isn't that obvious?


Place US in place of Israeli and terrorist in place of Palestinians.

What do you find common?

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2002, 08:20:37 PM »
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Originally posted by Curval

Israel seems to be the favourite "punching bag" for those who support underdog nations these days.  
 


yeah, well, you know me, i just kinda blow with the wind.

and i was so pro-israeli a few months back....oh well, sigh, guess i've been 'made' as cause- hopper... back to the armenian issue i guess before it's the official buzz.  

ps fishu - comparing u.s. vs terrorism and israel stomps palestinians is apples and oranges. (but it echoes a common sentiment so no surprise)

you should always compare like circumstances - perhaps american settlers vs indians is a little closer or maybe french resistance vs nazis.  the relations between the parties are totally different so your comparison leaks.  

i'm glad to help.

viva armenia!

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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2002, 08:46:25 PM »
Mrfish,

Im comparing todays things to todays.
I only were looking for one common thing, not simply comparing 1 to 1.

You'll get it if you think it through few times.

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2002, 09:13:07 PM »
ZZZzzz

another Israeli/Palestinian go nowhere - do nothing thread

it'll end like most the others - mrfish & Udie slugging it out then kissin and makin up :)
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