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funked

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« on: July 02, 2000, 04:17:00 PM »
It's bad enough having the inflight AWACS display, but combined with the 5 mile icons it means you can ACM at ridiculous ranges.  Fights are too spread out - everything is done at arm's length.  If you read or hear the words of WW2 fighter pilots, you find they had to get in fairly close to get ID.  

I agree icons are useful to overcome technical limitations, but I doubt even Chuck Yeager could do IFF and discern range within 100 yards from 5 miles away.  Maybe start the range number at 4.5k, and give type ID at 2.5k?

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 07-02-2000).]
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2000, 04:19:00 PM »
agree with funked  (cause he goes to bishland)

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Offline Gadfly

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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2000, 04:29:00 PM »
These two things('cause events are starting up) are the only two reasons I don't bother flying online.  Get rid of em or at least make another arena available without them, please.

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Offline Ghosth

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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2000, 05:20:00 PM »
Agreed Funked!

Friendly icons at 2.0
Enemy plane type at 1.2 would give you both a range est, and what your up against.

Forget range indicators for enemy's other than above.

Do it in the SEA if you like, if you build it we'll come.

Ohh and 2 sided Axis vs Allied please!
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2000, 05:34:00 PM »
Never liked the sooo distant icons. I agree - shorten the range up some. It adds tension to the simulation as every dot could be an enemy.

At least bring them in a little and see how people adjust.
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Offline Citabria

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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2000, 06:03:00 PM »
the d3 icons on the deck seem to be a lot more fun and yes the fights are at arms length i the ma and scenarios because of the stupid icons


for gods sake look how fun tanks have become w no enemy icons.
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Offline -duma-

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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2000, 06:51:00 PM »
A definite yes for this one.. 1.2k for enemy icons? That'd give enemies about 2 seconds to react to a diving Tiffy... muhahaha!

Friendly icons need to stay distant (4k?) though... irritating when you can't find friendlies, and would be maddening if you lost an enemy spit only to aquire a friendly spit and end up pursuing him by mistake...
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2000, 07:23:00 PM »
Here we go again.

There have been LOTS of threads on this and a lot of really good ideas.

I'm sure not going into it in detail again, but I'll toss out two things.

Obviously you should be able to tell a fighter from a bomber faster than the current dot setup allows.

You ABSOLUTELY DO NOT need range info once at a range where current technology allows you to visually ID planform and type. Perhaps around 1K all you need is a red or green "friend or foe" dot, no range, no big icon. Just the shape and a dot to tell you if it's OK to kill him.

Thank you. Feel free to continue beating this poor old horse. We need to convince HT, not each other.  
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2000, 08:02:00 PM »
I like them the way they are. At off hours is hard enough to find a fight.
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Offline JimBear

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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2000, 10:39:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Toad:

You ABSOLUTELY DO NOT need range info once at a range where current technology allows you to visually ID planform and type. Perhaps around 1K all you need is a red or green "friend or foe" dot, no range, no big icon. Just the shape and a dot to tell you if it's OK to kill him.
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Absolutely Right Toad.
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funked

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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2000, 11:41:00 PM »
Easymo if you can't find a fight with the in-flight AWACS and the jumbo-size "dots for the visually impaired", then you can't find a fight, period!  
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Offline skernsk

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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2000, 11:42:00 PM »
I'm going to agree with easymo.  This is my first online flight sim and I have a low grade system that I find hard to ID targets.  I tried toggling icons off and cannot fight that way.  
I'm open to suggestions but I do not want to get rid of icons.
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funked

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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2000, 11:44:00 PM »
Skernsk, RTFM, I am not proposing to eliminate icons.  I just want them adjusted to make it a little more like WW2 than WW3.  

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Offline minus

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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2000, 12:02:00 AM »
yes like all the time
 Quakers wont Icons, No night
Pilot wont  No icons YEs long nights :-))
 u beat who win ?

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Offline fd ski

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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2000, 06:17:00 AM »
Two things that need to go before this game becomes as enticint as it has a potential to become:
A) Long range icons ( d 15 is far enough. No need for D60 )
B) inside D10 rangefinder accurate to the yard.



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