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[Lefto]

Anyone know the highest 5 scoring pilots from England, US, and Russia? (WW2)

[bloom25]

US is Richard Bong I believe.

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[Lefto]

any chance you know the scores?

[Pongo]

Bong 40
Johnson 38
Kozhedub 62

If you wanted the top five they would all be Russian. Course the highest losses were Russian too.

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[Meisseli]

Try this site:  http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/aces.html

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[Staga]

If russians could shoot down all Finnish planes what they claimed then our museums should be empty... I guess same happens in other fronts too ?
Finnish pilot gets his "victory" after it was confirmated.

Staga

[Pongo]

NO finish claims were incorrect? hmmmm
Had to have the rusky pilots brain pan as an ashtray or no kill.

[Staga]

Pongo check out that upper link...

Also we must remember that at least in Luftwaffe and Finnish Air Force your tod lasted to the bitter end...

Staga

[RAM]

the three top soviet aces in WWII:

1- I.N. Kozhedub (62 kills,all personal)
2- G.A. Rechkalov (61 kills,56 personal, 5 group kills)
3- A.I. Pokrishkin (59kills, 53 personal, 5 group kills)

[Karnak]

There was a Brit/Commonwealth pilot who flew Hurris in North Africa and Med. that had 52 kills.  Don't remember his name off of hand.

Sisu

[Pongo]

Many german pilots(esp successful ones) were taken away from the front for varios reasons. Your implication that the russian kill counting was suspect but that the finish (or any other nations) was not is silly to me. Bitter end has nothing to do with it.
The Fins typically fought over there own territory so I suppose that counting kills would be somewhat more accurate, but anything done by humans is subject to error or exageration. The fins are not immune to this.

[Staga]

Pongo...

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"a recent study in Russian archives has revealed that Finnish fighters downed 1855 Russian planes" during the wars (winter+continuation). Finnish claims at the same time were 1807" [/cut]

Kinda strange isn't it          

And little more off topic for lighten this          
Jorma Sarvanto made a world's record on 6 Jan. 1940 when he shot down 6 DB-3 bombers in just 4 minutes
AND BTW: HE DIDN'T FLY CANNON HAWG !!        
Sarvanto's Fokker D.XXI was armed with four 7,7mm Browning mg's
           
btw: here's "our" G-2 with FAF's DC-2
   

Nice links also..
 http://www.cableregina.com/users/magnusfamily/airaces1.htm
 http://www.hkkk.fi/~yrjola/war/refs/refs.html#faf

hmm... where's my lager ?

Oh btw: Books and net are full of data... All you had to do is pull it out under all that garbage... Or let others do it    

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[Torque]

How many of those Ruskie planes were vintage WW1 I?.Not until BOB did the AXIS come up against equal AC and pilots oh and we know how that story ended.Aside from the 5-1 odds.

I luv viewing those clips of 109's bouncing biplanes musta been tuff.

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[RAM]

OOPS double post

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[RAM]

First Hartmann's kill was in 1943.Was an Il-2.

A lot of biplanes up by then, heh,torque?.

Same applies to Nowotny. some 90% his kills were in Fw190, and few of them in opening stages of the eastern campaign.


Torque...what about the "Pacific Aces"? thrown into combat against a unexperienced, worse equipped enemy. Are they pure crap because their enemies werent that good?.No, they were nice pilots and had a lot of merit!!. Same with eastern front...with the difference that russian pilots had way better aircraft than Japanese had. And better pilots in late war, too.

None of the "Pacific Aces" tallied even 40kills. Take a look and Hartmann's figures. Take a look into Steinhoff, Kuprinski, Nowotny, Galland, Bar, Rall,Moelders, Marseille (oh yes he killed 17 inutile warhawks and hurricanes in one day...but they were worse planes than the 109F, eh! so is not good!)

And What about hans-Urich Rudel?...he killed by himself...
ONE BATTLESHIP!!! (30000 tons)
more than 500 Russian tanks (I bet all of them outdated isnt it?)
more than 2000 russian vehicles
and in late 44 and 45 he flew without a leg...may I follow? he was a F·"$"% nazi pig...but he was a nightmare for Red Army.

Show me any pilot that match any of them, come on do it...or at least try to do it.

And dont tell me about Tour Of duties. German hadnt, true. THey served untill the end. But show me an allied pilot who has the same tally record in a short time as,for example, Galland, Marseille, Moelders...

German fighter aces were the best around the world, IMHO. So dont insult they memory, please.


[edit]as a side note I'll answer to your question. nearly 75% of russian planes were I-15 (or variants) and I-16. More I-16 than I-15. They were 1937-39 products. No WWI VINTAGE!. The rest were MiG-3, LaGG-3 and in a bit of more time later Yak-1...that sounds quite modern for 1941.

[edit] and I wont start telling about Channel fights in 1941-43 because there wasnt there the 5-1 odds you mean, and we all know, TOO, how that ended...for the RAF!     (BTW the BoB was a british victory. Yep...but look at 109's numbers and K/D ratio do you want?. It may SURPRISE YOU!)



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