the BF110G2

[-ammo-]

Is this AC supposed to climb at 2800 FPM clean? I also never thought it was as manueverable as it is in this release? It may be like the first P-47 and 190A5 released in 1.03, the FM needed some tweeking after initial release.

Dunno much about it other than what i have read in some books, I never got the impression that it excelled in air to air combat.

[brady]

So help me God I love It So.....

[Staga]

hmm Let's see:
Earlier when some players wanted to know if D-11 was modelled correctly were you one of those who did use word "Luftwhiner" ?

-If you were then "STFU you stupid allied swine"
-If not "Where are the numbers?"

[Hortlund]

Is this AC supposed to climb at 2800 FPM clean?

 
Actually I think "2800" qualifies as a number...dont you Staga?

"stupid allied swine"?

geez..get a grip, the war ended over 50 years ago (yeah, Finland lost)

[Wmaker]

In case of post editing:

Originally posted by -ammo-
Is this AC supposed to climb at 2800 FPM clean? I also never thought it was as manueverable as it is in this release? It may be like the first P-47 and 190A5 released in 1.03, the FM needed some tweeking after initial release.

Dunno much about it other than what i have read in some books, I never got the impression that it excelled in air to air combat.

Then two quotes from the thread Staga is referring to:

To StSanta's inquiry:

Originally posted by StSanta
I've got a feeling that the razorback p47 is a tad bit too maneuverable - or said in other words, either retains e too well or just gets around too fast.

From what I've read, it's approximately the same weight as other jugs. It's heavier than 190's.

Is it just my "feeling" that it's too light or does someone else have it too?

Not a whine, just an inquiry

Ammo gave this reply:

Originally posted by -ammo-
Oh no brother bluto!.. Those P47 guys are just too mean. It cannot be true that their ugly green plane is superior to our manly Messerschmidts...!!!!

[Staga]

Hortlund without Finland you would be a member of Komsomolets and speaking russia when you are in your holidays in black sea

[straffo]

Originally posted by Badboy


The 109G2, clean and with 25% fuel has an initial climb rate of 3950 ft/min at sea level. With the Gondolas that drops to 3773 ft/min. With 100% fuel, the drop tank and the gondolas that drops to 2910ft/min. Here is an energy maneuverability diagram for the G2, that also shows the effect of the gondolas on its maneuverability.

Badboy

I'ts surely true but they were speaking of the 110G2 not the 109

[-ammo-]

Mercy please.  Just answer the question if you know about the 110. I am not whining. It is a twin engined attack AC, its not supposed to dogfight with the best of the single engine AC.

In the interim, if you would like to label me allied swine, you are welcome to do so:). It is true.

[illo]

It is a twin engined attack AC, its not supposed to dogfight with the best of the single engine AC.

It's not twin engined  attack AC. It's Zerstörer, heavy fighter. Myth of it being bad fighter orginates from BoB. It was best used as energy fighter. So throttling down and flying with buffs wasnt very good idea...but they did it. Stupid germans. Anyway there was plenty of 110 aces.

As well you could call p-38 twin engined attack fighter.

[illo]

(yeah, Finland lost)

Yeah, did we?

Strangely I never heard of it. I had an idea that we stalled Soviet attack at summer 1944 wich led to peace negotiations. Soviets wanted borders pushed somewhat back from Leningrad for peace and it was agreed.

If finland had lost we would most likely speak russian with you my swedish friend. Or we might not speak at all. Who knows.

[Staga]

Ammo do a little comparison between Mosquito and Me-110G with wing loadings, engine powers and weights.

[SageFIN]

Originally posted by -ammo-
I am not whining.

Sounds like a luftwhine to me. Except that you got it the wrong way. What goes around comes around, eh

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by illo


Yeah, did we?

Strangely I never heard of it. I had an idea that we stalled Soviet attack at summer 1944 wich led to peace negotiations. Soviets wanted borders pushed somewhat back from Leningrad for peace and it was agreed.

If finland had lost we would most likely speak russian with you my swedish friend. Or we might not speak at all. Who knows.

Yeah, you did.

You lost alot of land, and alot of natural resources. You lost a very strategic port on the Barents sea. That is direct losses from the war. Then you got to be a Soviet puppy for some fifty odd years.

Or this where you want to claim that the term "Finlandization" is really a good thing, and Finland choose that path out of their own free will? Simple fact of the matter is that Finland joined the war on the wrong side in 1941. The price she had to pay for that was to become a soviet pawn during the cold war. And before you start some "we were neutral"-ramblings, dont. Countries with mutual defence treaties with the Soviet union, and with an army fieldning Soviet tanks and aircraft dont qualify as neutral in my book.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by -ammo-
Is this AC supposed to climb at 2800 FPM clean? I also never thought it was as manueverable as it is in this release? It may be like the first P-47 and 190A5 released in 1.03, the FM needed some tweeking after initial release.

Dunno much about it other than what i have read in some books, I never got the impression that it excelled in air to air combat.

Yeah, the 110G is far too uber. Indeed, the flight model found in EAW is much closer to reality than it is here. I'll see if its modeled in IL-2 and do a comparison. I'm sure it will be adjusted in the future.

My regards,

Widewing

[Xjazz]

Originally posted by Hortlund

 
Actually I think "2800" qualifies as a number...dont you Staga?

"stupid allied swine"?

geez..get a grip, the war ended over 50 years ago (yeah, Finland lost)

During war time somebody fight and somebody keep kinder carden.

Everybody do their best...