Author Topic: German Radar (Read 912 times)

Wotan · « **on:** March 23, 2002, 05:33:11 AM »

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FuGM 80 Freya

This was a long-range ground radar. It is little known that the Germans had operational radar in the beginning of the war, and used it effectively against British bomber raids he's talking about early war(39-40) British daylight raids. Freya had a range of 120km . It operated on a frequency of 125MHtz. Range precision was 125m, angle precision was 0.5 degrees.

FuGM 39/62 Wurzburg

Short range ground radar. range 170km(? - possibly one too many zeros), frequency 560Mhtz, range precision 100m, angle precision 0.2 degrees. This type of radar was used to guide night fighters to the bommbers and for AA gun laying. There first operational success was Sept 4th 1939 vs a Bristol Blenheim raid on Wilhelmshaven.

FuGM 86 Giant Wurzburg

This radar worked on a wavelength of 53cm. It's aerial was 3m across and weighed 1500kg. The 'Giant-Wurzburg' with a range of 45miles began to be introduced in 1942. By D-Day, there were 4000 Wurzburgs in France alone controlling 20,000 AA guns.
FuGM 402 Wasserman

AGW Radar thread

Please read this thread the lw was hardly without radar. We dont need it as accurate as the allies but something other the parking the cv in the middle of the channel to find a fight is much needed.

Also fleet 5 inch has much greater range and accurracy then in the main.

Great setup. I love I think its the best one yet. I am all for realism but I like to able to find a fight.

Sector bar or dots only with s 3 min update I dont care. With out the cv in channel the lw gets no vis information about where the fight is.

I know we are supposed to attack but we have kept the numbers even and have had some good a2a and ju88 missions. tower dar would be ideal for the axis.

Anyway please Read the thread at agw.

S!
Wotan

Virage · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2002, 03:15:18 PM »

What he said.

Sabre · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2002, 09:01:22 PM »

Wotan. The ETO map has a problem with the number of radar sites each sides has. I was hoping upping the dot-dar range to 50 miles for both sides would give good coverage for both sides. I'll look at adjusting it. Thanks for the radar info, btw. I new the Germans had radar, though my impression was that at the time of the BoB, German radar coverage over the channel was primarily surface-search.

Sabre
CT Staff

Wotan · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2002, 11:19:07 PM »

S! sabre

the only reason I brought this up was the fact that the axis cv could be placed in the channel and then we had dar coverage. The ack range and accurracy was really shutting dwn good fights

Lephturn · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2002, 09:19:43 PM »

I'd like to see the Axis with the same radar. To heck with being absolutely "realistic"... lets keep it fun.

I'd like to see 30 second radar update as well, and see how that works in comparison. A 40 mile dot dar and like 75 mile dar bar might work.

Overall it's been fun. Had some GREAT fights off the CV's heading into the Axis side of the channel. They sunk all the CV's though and then started running Ju 88's... so that was the end of the fun. Intercepting Ju 88's armed only with .303's is a complete waste of time, ammo, and airplanes.

Wotan · « **Reply #5 on:** March 25, 2002, 07:02:24 AM »

leph i asked someone on the allied to please sail the cv away from our coast. Our airfield is at 2k at 3k we get the 5 inch flak. Its much more accurate in the ct then the main.

I asked numerous times to saill the cv a few miles north so we could up and not be hit with that ack.

Inevitably someone got pissed and sunk them. (not me)

I have np with the cv being used as a forward base but when they are sailed 5 miles off our base and used as an ack platform folks will sink them.

I was tempted to switch sides just to sail away. I have sailed the axis cv out of the channel when allied guys were being killed by ack. This was ofcourse when I learned that with out the cv in the channel the allies had no dar.

I like good fights and short travel times and to know where the fights at like most folks. But sailing the cv off a base is a bit much especially with the 5 inch accuracy in the ct.

I am sorry your fun ended but it wasnt much fun being ack raped either. Also at that particular base theres ack along the shore. So I am sure allied folk didnt like that much either. But where the cv was ensured it.

Wotan has 4 kills and has been killed 1 time against the Ju 88.

Vulcan killed me but I ripped him good myself ju88s are only hard to kill from the ded 6. takes a few good burst but they die ez enough. I killed 2 out of a formation of 4. This was my 1st time ever in any ah hurri. Its a fun plane.

Wotan has 8 kills and has been killed 2 times in the Spitfire Mk I.

died by cv ack 1 of those time

Wotan has 5 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Hurricane Mk I.

my main scores going bac over a year or so will show nothing but axis planes. Them 303s imho are better then that crappy mgff...

Lephturn · « **Reply #6 on:** March 25, 2002, 07:51:36 AM »

Hey, I'm not criticizing you guys for sinking the CV's... heck I would have.

I'm just pointing out that it ruined the great fights, and that's a fact. I was too busy flying with my squaddies to notice whatever you guys said on Ch. 1 about the CV's, so I didn't really pick up on it. For me it's all about keeping the great fights going, so I'll always be willing to keep the CV far enough off shore. Still, CV 58 was LONG way off shore, and somebody sunk it too...

Well, you may be a great pilot, but I'm only average. I won't waste my time going after Ju88's any more. Drunky in his Ju88 I watched get about 5 of us. Yeah... don't attack from dead six sounds great... but we had no other choice since a single head-on pass with .303's did nothing, and after that it was all we could do to catch it. Your gunnery must be a heck of a lot better than mine... which admitedly sucks.

I just won't bother with them anymore except for a quick slashing attack from above.

Wotan · « **Reply #7 on:** March 25, 2002, 08:27:07 AM »

no I suk everbody kills me but I think I'd rather have 303s then mgff.

The score was to show I fly spits and hurris (more then axis planes) and that with the exception of longer bursts they are effective, atleast for me.

Drunky the experten killing 5 in a ju88 wow............

anyway when they get the 128x128 map things will be even better

S!

Shane · « **Reply #8 on:** March 25, 2002, 09:09:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
I was tempted to switch sides just to sail away. I have sailed the axis cv out of the channel when allied guys were being killed by ack. This was ofcourse when I learned that with out the cv in the channel the allies had no dar.

yeah, i've put the axis CV to the NE of the channel to provide the LW with some decent DAR to help find fights, and i keep it out of the channel, and away from being too easily spotted as it takes about 8 hrs for it to reach the area again from it's spawn point. I hate when i see it in the channel off the coast just begging to be sunk, resulting in a loss of decent dar for LW.

brady · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2002, 03:17:11 PM »

The only British radar dish in the chanel area is the one at the port, bomb it and they lose radar, at least I am 99% shure on this.

Lephturn · « **Reply #10 on:** March 26, 2002, 08:48:54 AM »

Wotan,

The problem is mainly Hurri 1 vs. Ju88 that knows his toejam. Any Ju driver that lets you come in below or from an angle is just not that good or not paying attention. All the Ju88 driver has to do is dive to the wavetops and sit in the gun. He's faster than the Hurri unloaded, and even if the Hurri is lighter and with some E advantage... it's not enough to do anything but come in from almost dead six. If you come in from the side, he just uses the rudder to turn to put you back on his dead six. Drunky is sharp enough to do this, so he pretty much owned our squad of Hurri's.

I'm not complaining... the JU88 belongs in this scenario, and all the planes and guns are modelled correctly I feel. I don't think "something is wrong". I'm just pointing out that intercepting a Ju88 in a Hurri is not a smart move. Dive from above and take a forward/top shot, then keep on trucking. If the Ju driver doesn't know his stuff, you can kill him easy... but if he does, you are dooooooomed.

Heh, now 109E vs. Hurri? I'll take the Hurri every time! I really like the gunset. Hurri vs. 110's and 109E's is what I'm really enjoying in this setup. They are great fights... the planes have different strengths and any one of them can be successful given the right pilot and the right situation. Hey, did they ever put more than 8 .303's on anything? A plane with like 12 of 'em would be amazing.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 26, 2002, 11:03:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Lephturn
Heh, now 109E vs. Hurri? I'll take the Hurri every time!

One of the truly ironic results of this setup is that the Hurricane seems to have become the preferred British fighter. Remember how we were worried that the Spitfire would have to be perked in order to coerce people to fly the Hurri?

- Oldman