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Offline Elfenwolf

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« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2002, 01:55:41 PM »
We already do all we can to give our children a head start in life anyway. My wife didn't drink alcohol or caffiene while she carried my daughter, she ate as healthy as she could, I read to her while she was still in the womb and continued reading to her the day after her birth, and all THAT was done to have a healthy, as close to as perfect baby as we could get. As we learn more about child development we seem to do more to develop perfect babies, so if the option of a simple procedure to correct genetic "flaws" becomes available 100 years from now then I would imagine most of us would take advantage of it.

We're already at the point where we can alter our bad genetics with things like corrective RK eye surgery and cosmetic surgery, and among the more popular health food supplements are "brain power" aids, sexual aids and body building aids. I think it's natural to want to look, feel and be as good as is possible, and if that's what we want for ourselves it's logical we'd want that for our children even more.

I don't know alot about genetics, but I know recessive genes cause blindness and retardation in humans that can be passed on from one generation to the next, and I've seen baby trout with two heads and obviously no hope of ever reproducing, so I can see where homosexuality can be passed on genetically upon occasion. I have a tough time with the "personal choice" viewpoint regarding homosexuality because what man could conciously make a choice to engage in homosexual acts?

I, myself, am gay- I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

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« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2002, 02:08:04 PM »
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[. "As we learn more about child development we seem to do more to develop perfect babies, so if the option of a simple procedure to correct genetic "flaws" becomes available 100 years from now then I would imagine most of us would take advantage of it."

I'll go you one better..Now that we have cloning technology,why don't we find some DNA of Dr Mengele and clone him.He would be the best person for this research into "Genetic flaws" such as homosexuality.
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« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2002, 02:28:43 PM »
Mav,

There are many recessive genetic traits that continue to be present inthe population despite their tendency to preclude procreation. Tay-Sachs disease is just one example, and I posted a link to a site discussing that on the other thread.

As to the choice - birth question. This just seems obvious to me. Did any of you make a choice as to your sexual orientation? Doesn't matter what that orientation is, just did you choose it, or did it just come naturally to you?  

another question, why would the percentage of gays in the general population remain constant if it were a choice? Wouldn't this number fluctuate significantly with the popularity / persecution of gays?

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« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2002, 02:50:20 PM »
Homosexuality is choice. Ever seen a gay monkey? I mean, we did evolve from the ape...right?:rolleyes:

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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2002, 02:53:07 PM »
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[. "As we learn more about child development we seem to do more to develop perfect babies, so if the option of a simple procedure to correct genetic "flaws" becomes available 100 years from now then I would imagine most of us would take advantage of it."

I'll go you one better..Now that we have cloning technology,why don't we find some DNA of Dr Mengele and clone him.He would be the best person for this research into "Genetic flaws" such as homosexuality. [/B]


I was refering to genetic flaws such as blindness, retardation, hell, even big ears or ugly noses, Sir Lion. It didn't occur to me I was making a statement about homosexuality being a "flaw."

My opposition to my own child being gay, besides the selfish aspect of wanting grandchildren, is the stigma society today places on gay people. Obviously, though, I'm like every other parent- the main thing I want for my child is for her to be a happy, well-adjusted adult. If that means she's gay then I guess I'd just have to deal with it.

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« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2002, 02:57:09 PM »
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You aren't a racist if you don't like gays.

You can be labelled a "bigot", but as far as I know, being gay doesn't make you part of a gay race.

And if it does, why don't they all go start their own gay lil' island where they can all be accepted and love each other?

I don't see why anyone should be told, or forced, to accept gays.

It's definitely not normal, seems some people think it should be... for whatever reason.
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The peter puffing toejam packers have the right to be queers if they like, just don't expect acceptance from this bigot.  :p

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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2002, 03:00:06 PM »
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Homosexuality is choice. Ever seen a gay monkey? I mean, we did evolve from the ape...right?:rolleyes:


Completely incorrect.

"Animals show homosexual behaviour
Some three hundred animal species are found to show same-gender love making

Dr Bruce Bagemihl, a Seattle-based biologist, has spent the last decade investigating homosexual behaviour in the animal kingdom reports the London Sunday Times.

His detailed survey has indicated that homosexual behaviour may be as natural as heterosexual behaviour.

The study has lead him to believe that not all animal behaviour revolves around procreation. He was quoted by the paper as saying, "Animal homosexuality is a rich and multi-faceted phenomenon that is at least as complex and varied as heterosexuality - the lives of gay animals are far more diverse than we would ever have imagined.,"

The American biologist explained that some animals appear to be predisposed towards homosexuality and give the example of male bottlenose dolphins who pair off with other males during their youth. They never bond with a female even after mating.

Another species he cites are male humboldt penguins who sometimes form life-long homosexual relationships. They remain monogamous until one of the partners die.

Dr Bagemihl's study has yielded other examples such as king penguins who prefer same-sex mates even when unpaired birds of the opposite sex are available.

Examples from primates include the bonobo chimps who are generally promiscuous with partners of either sex.

He also cites an example of lesbian behaviour among grizzly bears who sometimes bond with each other raising cubs as a family."

You might want to do a bit research before making statements like that.




"I don't see why anyone should be told, or forced, to accept gays."

Or blacks, orientals, jews, handicapped people, etc.  for that matter.:rolleyes:

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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2002, 03:03:15 PM »
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Homosexuality is choice. Ever seen a gay monkey? I mean, we did evolve from the ape...right?:rolleyes:


Apache.....puuleeeze take that foot out of your mouth!

Gay Monkeys..."actually apes but you get the point" and here is another...For the FDB's

BTW, we didn't evolve from the ape, we have a common ancestor with the ape. Big difference.

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« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2002, 03:25:22 PM »
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Apache.....puuleeeze take that foot out of your mouth!

Gay Monkeys..."actually apes but you get the point" and here is another...For the FDB's

BTW, we didn't evolve from the ape, we have a common ancestor with the ape. Big difference.


Is it really necessary you lead in with a personal remark? If we are to enter into debate, so be it, however your remark aimed to embarrass me is not needed.

As to my post, my attempt at humor was not well founded.

Your need to educate me on basic theory, evolutionary biology or creationism, for that matter, is unnecessary.

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« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2002, 03:25:30 PM »
Considering that the rational reason to have childen is having grandchildren (wether you subscribe to evolved procreation instinct or God's directive to procreate), that would be an automatic "yes".

 Of course many people would name other reasons to have children - like caring, companionship, seeing smiles, etc. - all valid, but I personally do not accept those reasons in which you can replace "child" with "pet".


 Homosexuality could not evolve as darvinian adaptation. It may be a result of a particular combination of a few other genes - such things are common.
 A gene protecting from malaria will cause sickle cell anemia if it is homosygous.

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« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2002, 03:29:38 PM »
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Is it really necessary you lead in with a personal remark? If we are to enter into debate, so be it, however your remark aimed to embarrass me is not needed.

As to my post, my attempt at humor was not well founded.

Your need to educate me on basic theory, evolutionary biology or creationism, for that matter, is unnecessary.


You are absolutely correct. My apologies.

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« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2002, 03:30:59 PM »
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You are absolutely correct. My apologies.


Apology most humbly accepted.

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« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2002, 03:33:47 PM »
But dammit....did anyone see the "Gay Sheep" page?

an excerpt: THE TRUTH ABOUT GAY SHEEP:


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I found this in the alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic newsgroup. I don't make a habit of hangin out there, you understand, I just "happened" to be reading posts and accidently found myself there.

 

GAY SHEEP COME OUT OF THE CLOSET
by Rex Wockner, 11/22/89




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Eight percent of the male sheep at the United States Department of Agriculture's Sheep Experimental Station in Dubois, Idaho, are gay, officials confirmed in late November.


Offline Elfenwolf

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« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2002, 03:38:25 PM »
I wish the FDBs would share those gay sheep....

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« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2002, 03:56:02 PM »
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And if it does, why don't they all go start their own gay lil' island where they can all be accepted and love each other?


:::chuckles::: And I don't like pimply-faced youngins who can't yet buy themselves a beer.  Your island is ----> thataway:D

Such is the problem with all of this.  Who is it that gets to decide who or what is acceptable?  Whether being gay is a choice or genetic is completely irrelevant.  There are a few people posting in these various gay threads that are satisfied in making a negative judgement about gays based solely upon a single trait that they share as opposed to their merit as individuals.  While that is perfectly within those people's rights, it does make them bigots.