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Offline Staga

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« Reply #150 on: April 04, 2002, 02:40:29 PM »
Sikboy that's very nice banner on your link :)
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« Reply #151 on: April 04, 2002, 02:54:46 PM »
The UN countries sent troops to that war as I recall. U.S. troops initially but joined by those from 15 other nations: Australia, New Zealand, Britain, France, Canada, South Africa, Turkey, Thailand, Greece, the Netherlands, Ethiopia, Colombia, the Philippines, Belgium, and Luxemburg.

hmmmm... no Finland in there either. ;)

So, Staga, if I read that answer right you're saying only UN operations can be considered true Peacekeeping missions?  Correct me if I'm wrong.. and I'm sure you will. :)
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« Reply #152 on: April 04, 2002, 02:57:24 PM »
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You're absolutely right. Where did you guys found these allies of yours ?


In the real world... same place you guys found the USSR. :)
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« Reply #153 on: April 04, 2002, 02:57:49 PM »
Fixed it. And as for our allies, I'm just as happy in NATO as you are out of it. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #154 on: April 04, 2002, 03:47:30 PM »
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So, Staga, if I read that answer right you're saying only UN operations can be considered true Peacekeeping missions?


Not necessary but is there a specific reason why those operations couldn't be handled by U.N?
Were/are troops ready to stay there next twenty-thirty years if needed?
Who made the decision to send troops and is/was his successor willing to keep troops there even if political pressure against it begins to be a burden in his back?

That's why I prefer U.N operations 'cause peacekeeping operations could take decades and they shouldn't be dependable of ANY political issues like gathering votes for elections or changes in one nations leadership.

I hope I was clear enough this time :)
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« Reply #155 on: April 04, 2002, 03:56:48 PM »
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I hope I was clear enough this time


What is clear is that you've redefined the argument to fit your stance. At first you seemed to take the position that the US hadn't done enough for Peace in the Middle East. Then it was US hadn't towed its line for Peacekeeping. Now it's that you prefer UN sponsored peacekeeping initiatives to other unilateral/bilateral/multilateral arrangments. Good job.

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« Reply #156 on: April 04, 2002, 03:59:44 PM »
He can sing as well as dance.

really.. very talented.
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« Reply #157 on: April 04, 2002, 04:32:38 PM »
.... a little softshoe music, Maestro, because I agree with Hangtime.  :)

But, what Sikboy said.


You can't trust us to stay? LOL.

The Fulda Gap? About 57 years there, eh? Maybe time to go though.

The Korean DMZ? 50 odd years and more to come?  

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I think we can stick with it as well as the UN, thanks.

Hey, think of this... they signed the Camp David Accords and the Washington Declaration in the US! Man that took a while, eh? Nearly 50 years to get Egypt and Jordan to sign peace treaties with Israel!  And signed in the US... wow...  I guess we do stick with the job a while. In fact, we're still in there, talking to the Israelis and the Palestinians.


Upsets you that the US doesn't put massive numbers of troops under non-US commanders? Try to remember that we're the guys that have probably done the best at achieving the most with the fewest casualites on our side. Maybe that's why we're the way we are? Historically, if you look at the times US troops have been under foreign command the results for our troops haven't been to sterling.

Yes, there is the US political process to consider and the 4 year term of the Presidency. However, don't forget that the UN changes its mind as well.  UN missions have, can and will end before the "final goal" is achieved also.
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« Reply #158 on: April 04, 2002, 05:36:04 PM »
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Hey, think of this... they signed the Camp David Accords and the Washington Declaration in the US! Man that took a while, eh? Nearly 50 years to get Egypt and Jordan to sign peace treaties with Israel!  And signed in the US... wow...  I guess we do stick with the job a while. In fact, we're still in there, talking to the Israelis and the Palestinians.



mmmkay but maybe you should change your tactics or put some AA missiles to protect high buildings.
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« Reply #159 on: April 04, 2002, 05:42:46 PM »
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mmmkay but maybe you should change your tactics or put some AA missiles to protect high buildings.


What a dick :rolleyes:
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« Reply #160 on: April 04, 2002, 06:07:17 PM »
Well thats what happened eh?
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« Reply #161 on: April 04, 2002, 06:09:36 PM »
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I thought some of you wanted to turn this to mud-slinging contest when I watched your recent posts?

You're acting like a child Staga
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« Reply #162 on: April 04, 2002, 07:01:34 PM »
Yes, that's what happened.

Because, unlike some other countries we could discuss, we at least were involved and trying for a settlement instead of sitting on the sidelines, ducking their heads down into their collar and making sure their "Israeli Statehood: I wasn't there, you didn't see me and you can't prove a thing" jacket patch was showing off well to the Arab nations.

:D

Guess we should wait until somebody else does all the heavy lifting on peacemaking and then offer to send a few thousand peacekeepers?

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Mudslinging? Don't forget to wash your hands before you dine, Staga. Oh, and take off that dirty shirt as well.  Heck, you might as well go shower.  :)
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« Reply #163 on: April 04, 2002, 07:36:49 PM »
pass the Finn a shovel.. to dig his hole any deeper, he's gonna need more than fingernails.
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« Reply #164 on: April 04, 2002, 07:49:37 PM »
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mmmkay but maybe you should change your tactics or put some AA missiles to protect high buildings.


That was out of line.
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