why does 109G10 climb so bad??

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by funkedup
And I didn't get a nice present.  I barely play AH these days.  And when I do, it's scenarios.  Tempest and Spit14 are never used in scenarios.  And Tempest and Spit 14 are pretty much unusable in the MA due to perk pricing and  gangbang-magnet-perk-icon.  Whereas contemporary LW planes like G-10 and D-9 are unperked and have normal icons.  So it's pretty clear who got the present here, and it's not me.  

Your darn tootin. preach on.

[Nashwan]

and if you refer to AFDU spit14 test just compare critiacal altiutedes what may give you an imagination how much power was used in the AFDU trials

Could you explain what you mean?

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Nashwan

Could you explain what you mean?

Probably not

[Shuckins]

Dr. Zhivago,

I have the results of the tests you mention being conducted by the Air Fighter Development Squadron.  They were published by William Green in his book "Augsburg Eagle."  The aircraft being tested was a Bf 109G-6/U2 equipped with Rustsatz 2 (two underwing 20mm cannon gondolas) and the standard 30mm MK 108 cannon and two 13mm machine guns.  Initial climb rate for the standard G-6 without Rustsatz 2 was 3,346 fpm at 7,000 lbs. normal loaded weight.

All other statistics are essentially correct.  The report states that at the rated altitude of the 109G there was little to choose between the two fighters in climbing performance, but at all other altitudes the Spitfire possessed a marked advantage in rate of climb.

Tests against a Bf-109 G-10 would have come out somewhat differently.  The G-10, from a standing start, could reach 20,000 feet in six minutes (Martin Caidin, "Me-109").  I don't know what the initial climb rate was for the G-10 upon leaving the ground but it must have been stupendous. The 109 G-2, with 1,474 hp for takeoff had an initial climb rate of 4,590 fpm.  By comparison, the G-10 with DB 605DC engine had 2,000 hp available for take off.

Regards, Shuckins

[Wilbus]

*Whistels*

Funked, gotto argree with you, climb performance in AH pretty much matches the numbers in book for all those 3 planes.

What doesn't SEEM (not sure how to calculate it) correct though is the climb angle, the 109's had a very steep climb angle but in AH all planes have more or less the same angle. IMO the 109 should have much steeper then it does, can anyone calculate it?

[Wmaker]

Originally posted by funkedup
And I didn't get a nice present.  I barely play AH these days.  And when I do, it's scenarios.  Tempest and Spit14 are never used in scenarios.  And Tempest and Spit 14 are pretty much unusable in the MA due to perk pricing and  gangbang-magnet-perk-icon.  Whereas contemporary LW planes like G-10 and D-9 are unperked and have normal icons.  So it's pretty clear who got the present here, and it's not me.  

Isn't it funny how comments like these are perfectly allright as long as you are from the right camp.

[funkedup]

Hey that wasn't a whine, it was a counterwhine!  
And you have to admit it is true.

[Wmaker]

Good thing is that I don't have to admit anything cuz you can't point a gun at me over the pond.

Sooo...counterwhine isn't really a whine?? But what's the word whine doing there then?

[Fishu]

It's already been known for few years that german planes in AH are made by the lowest bidder, while british planes are made by the highest bidder.

also observed funny thing that people finds brit planes bit faster and finds german planes tad slower.
not other way around, if theres lacking/excess speeds.
then people will say "why do you complain of 10mph, thats nothing!"
so if ally plane is 10mph too fast and german planes 10mph too slow, it'll become 20mph difference.

mentioned things has also been found true with climb times.

okey.. go on, I were just reminding that nothing has changed.

[funkedup]

That's it Wmaker, I'm coming over the pond to get you.  

It's OK, you can call me a whiner.  I've called myself a whiner many times on this UBB.  

[funkedup]

Niklas, you are excused now.
Fishu has come in with some major whining so I have no more energy for you.
Fishu is WW2Mod for GR ready yet?  

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Fishu:
It's already been known for few years that german planes in AH are made by the lowest bidder, while british planes are made by the highest bidder.

Yeah, that's why we have the worst Spitfire Mk IX and worst Seafire ever whereas the Germans are saddled with the best Bf109G-10 and a MW50 equipped Fw190D-9.  Those poor Germans.

The Bf109G-10 was also in AH from day one of it going live. The Bf109G-10 and the Fw190D-9 cost nary a point to fly, but if you want to fly the equivilent British aircraft you'd better have 60-70 perk points ready and be willing to be handicapped with a "gangbang" icon.

Yup, those Germans sure did get shafted.

It should be noted that I do not feel in any way that the RAF fans have been shafted.  We have one of the best planesets in the game, as do the German and American aircraft fans.  I just don't think the German fans have anything to whine about, so I thought I'd poke some holes in their "woe is us" act.

[Urchin]

Originally posted by niklas
ok now everyone will say is this guy crazy the G10 climbs like a rocket.

But lets compare:
109G10  7400lb  2000hp  = 0.27hp / lb  climbrate 4600ft/min
spit14   8460lb  2000hp  = 0.23hp/ lb  climbrate  4900ft/min
tempest 11400lb 2600hp = 0.22hp/lb climbrate 4600ft/min

though -by far - the G10 has the best power to weight ratio it climbs worse than a spit14 that has 800lb more weight. or equal to a tempest that has more power (i assumed A LOT of more power) and MUCH more weight.

sry that canīt be true. Why does the G10 climb so bad??

niklas

How'd you get the ingame climb rates?  Stopwatch?

I also think there is more to climb rate than just power to weight ratio.  I'm a novice at this sort of thing, but I'd guess drag would play a significant role, and wing shape as well.  Drag because it takes away from lift, essentially robbing the plane of horsepower, and wing shape because the Spitfire had a nice wing shape for low level performance.  At least I think I read that somewhere lol.

Anyway, 109G-10 still climbs like a friggin rocket .

[BUG_EAF322]

the wabbles used a bad paint layer wich made some drag too

[mrsid2]

Funckedup how can someone fly 109's anymore?

I thought there are no flyable 109's left.
If it's a converted 109 with a different engine then I doubt it has the original prop anymore either.