Author Topic: 1.10 Plane Additions...sigh (Read 662 times)

Sky Viper · « **on:** April 25, 2002, 07:08:02 PM »

More US Iron. Well, at least it's early war era.

Thanks for the A6M2, but there are so many more valuable IJN planes not in the set!

I used to defend HT and the gang when folks said that they were US/Allied Iron Bias'd.

I won't be doing that any more. Unfortunately they appear even more bias than ever.

What's even worse is that HTC doesn't even seem to be listening to our desires now. P40 for instance has had more requests than any others that I've seen.

Sky Viper

Wotan · « **Reply #1 on:** April 25, 2002, 07:20:09 PM »

we need the early stuff or there can be no meaningful pac stuff

that includes both us and jap. The problem we have now is we cant have all early war jap stuff with out its us counterpart.

Read the todays poll. it would seem even more ijn on the horizon.

p40? I'll quote HT "whats a p40?"

Sikboy · « **Reply #2 on:** April 25, 2002, 07:31:27 PM »

[sarcasm]Yes. After all, nobody wants early war pac planes.

Oh wait, that's just your opinion

[/sarcasm]

Come on Sky Viper, there are people who want these planes.
In fact, there is no planeset that I personally wanted more than an early pac planeset. I'm sure that I'm in the minority by having these planes so high on my priority list. But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be represented. These planes are getting a pretty good reception so I know that not everyone hates the idea.

As far as the P-40 goes, we don't know if it will or will not be available in 1.10. So far as I know nobody has said "That's it guys, we're not modeling anything else" Try to be patient when you don't get things you want. God knows the BoB planeset did nothing for me.

-Sikboy

oboe · « **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2002, 08:12:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
we need the early stuff or there can be no meaningful pac stuff

I suspect that late War Pac will be better balanced than History indicated, and early War Pac will actually favor the USN rather than the Japanese.

Early War, the Japanese in AH have none of the historical advantages they had. Right off the bat, they are flying against very experienced sim pilots who know how to exploit the weaknesses of early war Japanese planes.

Still, it'll be interesting to see how it compares to the way it went in WBs.

Mathman · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2002, 08:54:34 PM »

cajun · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2002, 10:18:33 PM »

I want more early war planes (i.e. BIWINGERS:D ) The SwordFish, SeaGladiator/GlosterGladiator and CR42 would make AH much more interesting especially in turn fights when you'd have these rickety old biwingers gettin all the kills

if they add those I might even pay $15/month for MA!

Toad · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2002, 10:47:47 PM »

What I heard was that this isn't 1.10.

I heard it was just a 1.09 patch with the big maps and a few new planes.

But we could still all cry about something anyway couldn't we? Please .. can we all just share a few tears? 'Cuz this is the end of a beautiful relationship

Oh, wait.. it's not. The sun will come up tomorrow and HTC will still be working on adding even more planes.

There. I feel better already.

Makofan · « **Reply #7 on:** April 26, 2002, 11:09:27 AM »

Hi Tech - we want more planes!!

Oh, you're giving us more planes....

Hmmm.....

HiTech, how dare you give us these three planes - there are no Japanese planes there!!!

Oh, you've now shown us a Japanese plane...

Hmmm.....

HiTech, how dare you give us those planes. They're the wrong ones!! grumble grumble HTC don't care about us wahhhhh! *sniffle*

Beav · « **Reply #8 on:** April 26, 2002, 11:12:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
"whats a p40?"

I believe it's the only US plane used throughout the war, beginning to end in every theatre of operations.

Pongo · « **Reply #9 on:** April 26, 2002, 11:36:09 AM »

Before I started this game I would not have thought it possible that people could be so stupid as to complain about new planes being added. Obvoisly...when they are done with early pac they will do something else. Yet you accuse them of bias..
when they are modeling an era of axis dominance.
I am friggin dumbfounded...
Give your head a shake sky viper.
2 of the most signifigant AC of the war. Diverse in capablility and locked in mortal combat across the wide open spaces of the pacific...
and you whine about it.
Its almost unbelievable.
Are you just trolling for the whine of the week?

Superfly · « **Reply #10 on:** April 26, 2002, 12:07:49 PM »

It's always funny to read a whine about a release that hasn't even come out yet. Do ya think that we just might be making more than a couple planes for this release?

midnight Target · « **Reply #11 on:** April 26, 2002, 12:46:54 PM »

Tease!!

Sky Viper · « **Reply #12 on:** April 26, 2002, 01:17:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Sikboy
[sarcasm]Yes. After all, nobody wants early war pac planes.

Oh wait, that's just your opinion
[/sarcasm]

Come on Sky Viper, there are people who want these planes.
In fact, there is no planeset that I personally wanted more than an early pac planeset. I'm sure that I'm in the minority by having these planes so high on my priority list. But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't be represented. These planes are getting a pretty good reception so I know that not everyone hates the idea.

As far as the P-40 goes, we don't know if it will or will not be available in 1.10. So far as I know nobody has said "That's it guys, we're not modeling anything else" Try to be patient when you don't get things you want. God knows the BoB planeset did nothing for me.

-Sikboy

Psst, I never said I didn't want the early Pac Set.

In fact, I would welcome it if it came with sufficient IJN to ballance the load. But it doesn't.

Also, in ballancing the load, we have late/mid war Allied and German Craft in abundance. We do not have a ballance of IJN (and others) for that era.

Be patient you say?
When I started flying AH there were less than a dozen planes. Now there are 53 total aircraft. (Not even going to get into the GVs)
53 Total AC (58 supposed in 1.10)
15 US (19 supposed in 1.10)
15 German
12 British (13 supposed in 1.10)
4 IJN (6 supposed in 1.10)
5 Russian
2 Italian

Now, I don't know what the total of each country was in RL, but I'm rather sure that the IJN had more representation than that.
Even if they did use inferior early war birds against late war enemy. We don't have that option.

Viper

SKurj · « **Reply #13 on:** April 26, 2002, 01:22:08 PM »

perhaps SKVP the problem comes from available data on each aircrafts performance, visuals etc.

I agree I'd like to see more japanese and other non allied planes, but the biggest factor I'd imagine in modelling any plane is the data sources and availability.

While u collect 'credible' data sources, why not model AC that you have sufficient data on NOW while collecting more data on those aircraft (japanese for example) for which data is hard to come by.

SKurj

Sikboy · « **Reply #14 on:** April 26, 2002, 01:40:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Sky Viper

In fact, I would welcome it if it came with sufficient IJN to ballance the load. But it doesn't.

Also, in ballancing the load, we have late/mid war Allied and German Craft in abundance. We do not have a ballance of IJN (and others) for that era.

Even if they did use inferior early war birds against late war enemy. We don't have that option.

Viper

If it's all about getting IJN balance, then it's pretty silly to mention the P-40, even if it was tacked on as an afterthought to show how HTC doesn't care about us.

Anyhow, yes, be patient. You talk about numbers of planes, and there is some validity to that. But at the same time, the Japanese have the N1k2 which is one of the best turners in the game. Can it compete with late war planes in B&Z mode? No, not really. But I honestly don't believe that any Japanese plane can (no, not even the Ki-84 IMO). I hear what you are saying about getting more Japanese planes. I too want them. But none of us know what planes are going to come out when. We don't know if there are other Japanese planes in the work, getting ready for the next release. Until yesterday we didn't even know the A6m2 was on deck. If they give us enough plane in the next relase to do the Early war carrier battles, I'll be pleanty happy.

From threads on this board, I'm convinced that HTC has a fairly painstaking research guideline for modeling new aircraft. They have to. People come out gunning for them all the time in this forum. I'm glad they take the time and gather multiple sources for their models. I would wager that this is the very reason that we don't have as many Japanese planes as we would like. Like Skurj mentions, hard data on the Japanese planes seems harder to come by than data on planes from other countries. something about being burried under a ton of rubble.

One more time. Be patient. How many Japanese planes have been added since you joined? 2 planes in 1.5 years? It will likely be 3-4 in 2 years. That's not as bad as you make it out to be in my opinion.

-Sikboy