Author Topic: So much for "undecided"  (Read 837 times)

Offline Kieran

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« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2002, 09:54:45 AM »
Kanthy-

I know the school corporation I work for has been sued for less provocation. Maybe the plaintiff didn't win, but policy changes nonetheless. Schools don't have the deep pockets people believe, and if they can avoid a lawsuit by changing a policy, they will.

Offline miko2d

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« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2002, 10:16:17 AM »
Public schools are not free market but public sector. After all school board are the "servants" of the people and public should have a say in how the schools are run - through courts, election of the school board, etc.
 They should not be allowed make arbitrary rules like the private companies do - they are using our money.

 Where the free market should act is teh college enrollment. Schools should not try to make children enroll. They should prepare children to enroll.

 Even if encouraging children to enroll into colleges was beneficial to society, the school should do it by educating children and explaining advantages to them over the whole time - not trying to compensate their deficient work by offering the final "carrot".

 The issue with a graduation os obviously an invasio of privacy. An individual's plans are his/her own buisiness. Discriminating between people based on what plans the BIG BROTHER likes is contrary to the principles of our society.
 One stupid guy may decide to enroll into a crappy college using his Affirmative Action privileges to get in. Another smart may decide to first serve his country in the armed forces or do some humanitarian work before enrolling into the college. Who is to decide which one should be encouraged.

 miko

Offline Kanth

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« Reply #47 on: May 09, 2002, 11:43:49 AM »
This is more of what I was looking for, thanks miko. =)

I would like to see "Should" and "Should not" changed to

"are" and "are not" -be

Kanthy

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Originally posted by miko2d
Public schools are not free market but public sector. After all school board are the "servants" of the people and public should have a say in how the schools are run - through courts, election of the school board, etc.
 They should not be allowed make arbitrary rules like the private companies do - they are using our money.

 Where the free market should act is teh college enrollment. Schools should not try to make children enroll. They should prepare children to enroll.

 Even if encouraging children to enroll into colleges was beneficial to society, the school should do it by educating children and explaining advantages to them over the whole time - not trying to compensate their deficient work by offering the final "carrot".

 The issue with a graduation os obviously an invasio of privacy. An individual's plans are his/her own buisiness. Discriminating between people based on what plans the BIG BROTHER likes is contrary to the principles of our society.
 One stupid guy may decide to enroll into a crappy college using his Affirmative Action privileges to get in. Another smart may decide to first serve his country in the armed forces or do some humanitarian work before enrolling into the college. Who is to decide which one should be encouraged.

 miko
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Offline Eaglecz

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« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2002, 08:03:37 AM »
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Orel- tell us about the guy currently in charge of your country. ;)


hehe you probably know a bit about Czech..
yeah he is an old lobotomized fossil, peace of dead brain :D

any other questions ? :)

Offline Dinger

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« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2002, 09:57:52 AM »
Kieran's right about some things.
He's wrong about students arriving prepared for college.
The problem isn't that we're preparing students for a service (=slave) economy; basic grammar skills haven't changed that much in the last two thousand years.  Or maybe we just don't have the system (nobody does) to teach both slaves and masters under the same roof.

But he's dead on about why this school is requiring future plans for graduation participation.  There are politics involved, but it's not Democrats vs. Republicans or Liberal vs. Conservative; it's the funding game.
Remember Oakland schools and "Ebonics"?  The reason they tried to claim most of their students were native Ebonics speakers wasn't because they honestly believed it, but because they were strapped for cash, and (something like) schools with over 50% non-native speakers got extra money.

Gee, now we have this pure genius "Leave no child behind" BS, which uses testing to divide the public schools into a top half and a bottom half.  There's always gonna be a bottom half folks, and odds are it's going to correspond pretty closely with the half that doesn't get much money.  So let's take more money away from them.  That'll work.
And no, you won't see any kind of interesting behaviour on the part of administrators to ensure their school comes out on top in testing.
The kids who make it to the university may not know how to spell, read or write, but they sure can ace a multiple-choice exam.